New Bergantino Line of Neo Cabs!!!

[kringle77]

Oh man. Looks like my new truck fund may be alittle shorter on change when that comes out. Hopefully it's an 8 ohm cab, easy dimensions to carry and not too heavy. Punchy would be good too.

[KJung]

Originally Posted by Bassist30

I don't know what the new bergs sound like but I have the AE410 and always thought the HS410 sounded better.

That is what is cool about Jim's product line. The lines sound quite different and appeal to different players. I greatly prefer the AE410's more aggressive mid punch myself, but that warm, smooth, low mid fat HS line (I had the 210 for short while) sounded great to. The HD410 sounds even better, with a slight increase in upper mid presence. Cool stuff!

[KJung]

Originally Posted by chuck3

haven't read every post in this thread, but how does the new Berg 212 compare with the Baer ML212 when used with a Streamliner 900? (If anyone knows.)

Remember, the CN212 will be introduced in about a month. I am posting up regarding the 6 weeks or so I spent field testing the prototype. So, we will have to wait until some of these get out there to really get a feel for what various players feel about these with more of a variety of heads than I own.

I have a clip of the ML112 with the Streamliner I put back up on Youtube if you search Ken Jung on Youtube. I do not have my Streamliner at this point, so didn't try it whith the CN212, but given my very positive experience with a couple years of gigging the Streamliner with my AE410, and the nice mid punch and controlled low end of the CN212 that reminds me of a 'better AE410', my guess is the CN212 will KILL with the Streamliner (which benefits from a cab with a controlled low end, a nice dose of mids, and a bit of brightness/grind up top.

[KJung]

Originally Posted by Munjibunga

I'm serious. And I can keep a secret. I kept the CN secret for a couple months.

I know Jim had a number of prototypes out there being checked out, including some sort of 15. I have no idea if that will be introduced. Jim kind of chooses his field testers based on their tonal interests and needs, so I was only involved with the CN212.

[KJung]

Originally Posted by McFarlin

Could the CN be slightly closer to a "traditional ceramic driver cab" sound than the AE line?

Not sure how to answer that, since I've never understood what the 'neo sound' or 'ceramic sound' was. For example, if you A/B an Epi410UL, an AE410, an AE212, and a Baer ML112, there is VERY little in common with those cabs' voicings.

I guess if you mean 'a more attenuated upper mid response', then I would say no. Most of the neo cabs are a bit more even and full range than some of the older style ceramic cabs. The CN212 does have a much rounder, fatter, low end than any cab in the AE line, but has more midrange punch and presence than the AE212. So, definitely different.

Again, if you thought the AE410 was a bit too low end attenuated and a bit too much in the mids, you will dig the CN212. If you thought the AE212 was a bit too relaxed in the mids, and a bit too hi fi up top, with a low end that was a little too hard to control with some heads, you will love the CN212 IMO.

If you really love the HS410/HD410, you will like the low end of the CN212, but might find the upper mid presence a bit too aggressive. IMO!

[jnewmark]

Originally Posted by rodl2005

15/8 Berg.....? all of me's standing to attention

Wow, that just got my attention big time !

[nordyboy]

Originally Posted by KJung

Remember, the CN212 will be introduced in about a month. I am posting up regarding the 6 weeks or so I spent field testing the prototype. So, we will have to wait until some of these get out there to really get a feel for what various players feel about these with more of a variety of heads than I own.

I have a clip of the ML112 with the Streamliner I put back up on Youtube if you search Ken Jung on Youtube. I do not have my Streamliner at this point, so didn't try it whith the CN212, but given my very positive experience with a couple years of gigging the Streamliner with my AE410, and the nice mid punch and controlled low end of the CN212 that reminds me of a 'better AE410', my guess is the CN212 will KILL with the Streamliner (which benefits from a cab with a controlled low end, a nice dose of mids, and a bit of brightness/grind up top.

That is encouraging, if you think the cn212 will love the streamliner it should love the Staccato as well I would hope given that both heads have huge low end baked in as standard?

[KJung]

Originally Posted by nordyboy

That is encouraging, if you think the cn212 will love the streamliner it should love the Staccato as well I would hope given that both heads have huge low end baked in as standard?

+1 I think the Staccato can benefit from this sort of voicing also, since it too is big down low and a bit relaxed up top to my ear.

I really didn't like my Streamliner and even the TH500 through my AE212 so much. I felt I needed to bump up the low mids and the upper mids with that cab to make those heads sound like I like them, and they only have one semi-parametric mid control. Didn't have that issue with the AE410, and definitely didn't have that issue with the CN212 when I ran it through its paces.

[nordyboy]

Originally Posted by KJung

+1 I think the Staccato can benefit from this sort of voicing also, since it too is big down low and a bit relaxed up top to my ear.

I really didn't like my Streamliner and even the TH500 through my AE212 so much. I felt I needed to bump up the low mids and the upper mids with that cab to make those heads sound like I like them, and they only have one semi-parametric mid control. Didn't have that issue with the AE410, and definitely didn't have that issue with the CN212 when I ran it through its paces.

Thanks Ken, the Staccato kills with the ML112, I even have to dial back the bass 4 or 5 clicks to keep it under control, I would imagine it will be similar with the Berg then. I thought my AE410 was too harsh and my AE212 was too warm to the extent it sometimes just got lost in the mix, a happy medium of these too will be really nice. My favourite cabs were the HS410 and HD212 but they are too heavy for me to lug around every week so weight wise the CN212 is very exciting as a one cab solution, it will have to be the business though for me to part with the ML's!

[mothra2]

Originally Posted by KJung

That is what is cool about Jim's product line. The lines sound quite different and appeal to different players. ...

A BIG +1 there

[jnewmark]

Wonder how the MB LMIII would pair up with the CN112, maybe the 800 watt version? Although, now that I have heard that a 115 is coming out, maybe I'll wait !

[lomo]

(awaiting the wave of used Berg AE and HD 12s in the classifieds...............)

[Scott McArron]

I'm gonna be that guy and ask for an a/b. How about the difference between TecAmp M212 and the CN212? I've heard the M212 doesn't leave a 410 lover wanting, and Ken describes this as a better AE410. So how about between these two lightweight 212s?

[GRoberts]

I might "might" let go of my beloved trusty AE410, but not until after I do a 'Direct A-B comparison'. The best test would be to take both cabs to a gig. Testing along in a room only gives a baseline assessment for tone. It doesn't tell me how a piece of gear will perform on stage with a band.

The size & weight of the CN212 paired with more low-end fullness yet with similar midrange punch and articulate focus as an AE410 sounds ideal if that's what it delivers. I like the idea of the added height of a 2x12 versus a single 1x12 cab for my smaller more intimate gigs simply because the form factor gets the second 12" driver and horn up higher and closer to my ear. Since the CN212 is supposed to weigh just a little more than most 1x12 cabs, the cost savings outweighs the modularity quotient that a pair of 1x12 cabs would offer otherwise.

I just don't see any downside here.

[Fuzzbass]

Originally Posted by KJung

The CN212 would make the NV610 and AE410 guys feel relatively at home (plenty of differences, but the CN has that fat, round low end push and lots of mid complexity).

The HT cabs were all nice (I've owned a bunch), but the HS and NV lines are more my thing.

Oh, man. I thought my speaker GAS was dead, but it's erupted in a big way. I expect to be an early customer of the CN212!

[5StringPocket]

This CN212 looks very impressive and well thought out. Is that "carbon fiber looking" tolex just the pattern or is it more durable against tears and scuffs than the usual variety? Also, what is the RMS wattage this cab can handle?

[KJung]

Originally Posted by 5StringPocket

This CN212 looks very impressive and well thought out. Is that "carbon fiber looking" tolex just the pattern or is it more durable against tears and scuffs than the usual variety? Also, what is the RMS wattage this cab can handle?

No, just a high quality tolex in that aesthetic pattern. You would want a padded cover. With the relatively fragile spray on covering of my AE cabs, they look literally new after a 100 gigs or so due to the nice Bergantino padded cover.

I have not idea of the wattage rating, since the backplate was not filled in on the prototype. That spec is pretty useless, quite frankly, but given two high end 12's, it will be somewhere between 500 and 700 watts, and is 4ohm.

My AE212 is 600 watts thermal. I've been PUMPING the real, full, extended, massive, Glockenklang Blue Soul 650 watts into the AE212 (and the CN212 proto when I gigged it) with zero issue at high volumes (again, that is 'high volumes' relative to my context, which means keeping up with a non-idiot drummer (bass drum mic'd), multiple singers, a non idiot guitarist with a Twin or something, and a keyboard player getting a little help from a small front of house system on pop/funk dance gigs, etc.

[KJung]

Originally Posted by Fuzzbass

The HT cabs were all nice (I've owned a bunch), but the HS and NV lines are more my thing.

Oh, man. I thought my speaker GAS was dead, but it's erupted in a big way. I expect to be an early customer of the CN212!

+1 That is where I come out also. Gigged a few of the HT cabs, and while impressive as heck, a bit too 'modern, smooth, hi fi' for me personally. I have that vibe covered with my Audiokinesis TC115 quite nicely when I'm in the 'mood for smooth'.

Knowing your tone goals from our years of posting together, if your HS410 is starting to weigh on you (pardon the pun), then I think you would be pretty happy with this one. Again, kind of sits between the AE410 and the HS/HD410 tonally... more of that round low end of the HS/HD, and a bit of the AE410 bite up top.

[fcoda]

Interesting.....maybe time to think about replacing the GB 6x10

[KJung]

Just got an email from Greg at Rocket Music. Sounds like the firm ship date for the US is March 15th for the first run.