New Bergantino Line of Neo Cabs!!! - Page 11

chadds · #**201** 02-06-2013, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by KJung

Yeah, that doesn't look strange at all... looks pretty good to me actually.

Call the Fashion Police!!

KJung · #**202** 02-06-2013, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by chadds

Call the Fashion Police!!

I'm in big trouble on so many levels regarding the fashion police

Fuzzbass · #**203** 02-06-2013, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by KJung

Knowing your tone goals from our years of posting together, if your HS410 is starting to weigh on you (pardon the pun), then I think you would be pretty happy with this one. Again, kind of sits between the AE410 and the HS/HD410 tonally... more of that round low end of the HS/HD, and a bit of the AE410 bite up top.

Pair of HS210, but still, great memory! I also own a pair of HT112ER cabs. And the NV610.

The NV is my go-to cab with my neanderthal rock band. It sounds especially killer at stoopid-loud volume (I use my custom-fit earplugs). A pair of twelves will not keep up, and I'm not 100% sure about the 2x2x10 either.

For all other gigs I try to use a smaller rig. A vertical HS210 stack has a narrow footprint -- nice for small stages but the height makes it awkward especially with my rack on top. My HT112ER cabs are the perfect size and volume, but fall into the HT vein sonically.

The CN212 should be perfect: narrow, stable, lightweight, not-too-modern tone, enough volume for all gigs but the loudest. (The struggle for me has been finding "lightweight" and "not-too-modern").

dDaddybass · #**204** 02-06-2013, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Munjibunga

Has anyone mentioned the NV115/8 that's coming out around the same time? It looks like Tom's one-off ain't gonna be the only one.

I think the one I saw had a 5 or 6" in it.

KJung · #**205** 02-06-2013, 02:25 PM

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I think the one I saw had a 5 or 6" in it.

I understand it is a sealed NV15/6 at a bit over 50 pounds. There is someone on TB who is field testing it and I assume he will post up eventually. I don't really know anything about it other than that.

fitz420 · #**206** 02-06-2013, 02:41 PM

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I understand it is a sealed NV15/6 at a bit over 50 pounds. There is someone on TB who is field testing it and I assume he will post up eventually. I don't really know anything about it other than that.

Whoaaa! If that could get close to my NV215, which expect it would, I will probably retire my NV215 from road useage.

NOLA Bass · #**207** 02-06-2013, 02:46 PM

I'm going to be in Orlando in April. Perfect chance to try the cab out at Bass Central if they have one in stock then.

McFarlin · #**208** 02-06-2013, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by KJung

...If you really love the HS410/HD410, you will like the low end of the CN212, but might find the upper mid presence a bit too aggressive. IMO!

Thanks for the response.

kringle77 · #**209** 02-06-2013, 04:54 PM

Im glad that Jim is considering putting out another NV cab. I just think that a vertical nv212 with AE212 like dimensions or smaller would have been the better choice. Hopefully the beta tester actually uses sealed cabs regularly. Jim doesn't answer my calls or e-mails so, I stopped trying a long time ago. It actually caused me to stop buying his cabs. I think the cn212 is going to be a big deal for alot of folks though.

Bassist30 · #**210** 02-06-2013, 05:01 PM

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+1 I think the Staccato can benefit from this sort of voicing also, since it too is big down low and a bit relaxed up top to my ear.

I really didn't like my Streamliner and even the TH500 through my AE212 so much. I felt I needed to bump up the low mids and the upper mids with that cab to make those heads sound like I like them, and they only have one semi-parametric mid control. Didn't have that issue with the AE410, and definitely didn't have that issue with the CN212 when I ran it through its paces.

KJUNG How is the bottom end of these new Bergs. The low mids on down?

KJung · #**211** 02-06-2013, 05:25 PM

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KJUNG How is the bottom end of these new Bergs. The low mids on down?

Very similar to the HS410 that you like. Not over extended or dub like though. Fat as heck.

Bassist30 · #**212** 02-06-2013, 07:29 PM

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Very similar to the HS410 that you like. Not over extended or dub like though. Fat as heck.

I like that.

pickles · #**213** 02-06-2013, 08:20 PM

The cn12 and nv15/6 both sound great for what I'm looking for right now ... Super tasty high end home/studio cab.

Saluki · #**214** 02-07-2013, 05:50 AM

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Originally Posted by kringle77

Im glad that Jim is considering putting out another NV cab. I just think that a vertical nv212 with AE212 like dimensions or smaller would have been the better choice. Hopefully the beta tester actually uses sealed cabs regularly. Jim doesn't answer my calls or e-mails so, I stopped trying a long time ago. It actually caused me to stop buying his cabs. I think the cn212 is going to be a big deal for alot of folks though.

Chris,
Interesting..Jim has always been repsonsive to my questions over the years via email.

kringle77 · #**215** 02-07-2013, 06:27 AM

The first time I talked to him was about buying a cab and he was all ears. The second time was after I had owned a few of his products and was trying to get him to find out which one would be smaller but closest in sound to the my nv610. He isn't a player and said that he couldn't really explain it so, I asked about how two different cabs would look on a frequency response chart and he just got extremely vague and had no interest in helping me. It was like he was protecting military secrets. The fact is, most of his drivers are tweaked custom versions of other drivers and you wouldn't get the same results as he does using the next closest thing so, it's not like he would lose buisiness by giving out some useful information. So, I think the thought I was trying to get secret info in order to build my own cab or something. I understand but, I felt pretty slighted after owning so many of his cabs. I haven't bought a new one since my second nv610 and he would have to come out with something earth shattering for me to eat crow and buy anything else new. Im not above that, just alittle jilted I guess. Still love my nv610 though.

KJung · #**216** 02-07-2013, 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by kringle77

The first time I talked to him was about buying a cab and he was all ears. The second time was after I had owned a few of his products and was trying to get him to find out which one would be smaller but closest in sound to the my nv610. He isn't a player and said that he couldn't really explain it so, I asked about how two different cabs would look on a frequency response chart and he just got extremely vague and had no interest in helping me. It was like he was protecting military secrets. The fact is, most of his drivers are tweaked custom versions of other drivers and you wouldn't get the same results as he does using the next closest thing so, it's not like he would lose buisiness by giving out some useful information. So, I think the thought I was trying to get secret info in order to build my own cab or something. I understand but, I felt pretty slighted after owning so many of his cabs. I haven't bought a new one since my second nv610 and he would have to come out with something earth shattering for me to eat crow and buy anything else new. Im not above that, just alittle jilted I guess. Still love my nv610 though.

That is a difficult issue. I run into it also in my consulting business, where I have multiple years of post graduate education invested, and quite a few proprietary products/analysis tools that I've developed over the years. While I try to be polite to graduate students, competitors, clients, etc., if someone starts pushing me on 'can you explain how you do this', I will politely shut them down after a while

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KJung · #**217** 02-07-2013, 07:30 AM

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I like that.

+1 90% of the fat down low, similar mid mid punch, and a more open and a bit more aggressive upper midrange response (easily controlled if you have the typical 800hz-1K centered upper mid control on your amp). Much smaller and lighter... bonus!

Again, can't comment on the CN112, haven't heard it. My guess is, it would sound like a more refined, somewhat bigger down low AE112, but just guessing there.

tombowlus · #**218** 02-07-2013, 07:52 AM

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I understand it is a sealed NV15/6 at a bit over 50 pounds. There is someone on TB who is field testing it and I assume he will post up eventually. I don't really know anything about it other than that.

I should be checking out this cab fairly soon, as well, but I'm not going to say much more than that until Jim has made some final decisions regarding the fate of this cab.

Tunaman · #**219** 02-07-2013, 07:56 AM

15/6... now we are talking Jim !!!!!

KJung · #**220** 02-07-2013, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by tombowlus

I should be checking out this cab fairly soon, as well, but I'm not going to say much more than that until Jim has made some final decisions regarding the fate of this cab.

It is definitely being released, but again, since it isn't really my thing, I wasn't involved at all in the testing and don't know much about it.

Not sure if it will be released at the same time as the CN212 (March 15th), but I assume the primary field tester will post up soon.