New Bergantino Line of Neo Cabs!!!

[hennessybass]

'64 j... TF550... CN212. That's what I'm thinking about.

[AmazingMumford]

I've had no problems with phone calls to Jim in the past--emails are another matter.

Back on topic: with 2 x HT112ER, 1 x HD112, and 1 x AE410, I'm quite interested in both new lines. But what "child" do I sell to make way for a CN? Employing KJungian psychology, I'm thinking the HD112...

P.S. Somebody call Hoarders! I can't find my floor or swallow my Bowlus!

[Bipslapper]

As a loyal Rocket Music customer who owns 2 Berg cabs (HT112ER and HS410) plus 2 GB heads (Streamliner 900 & Shuttle 9.0) I am very confident a CN212 will be a great partner to my HS410 which is heavy as $hit, and I gig out every weekend. Snowy New England weekend gigs, combined with rain and crap make this lightweight Bergantino cab tasty indeed.

Only once I had to deal with Jim (casters), he answered my emails, sent replacement castors for the defective ones and was nothing but professional. As is Greg Bump from Rocket Music, always.

Thanks for all your time and effort, Ken!

[slade]

I've got the Hd410 also and am intrigued to say the least. When I bought the 410 I A/Bd it with the Hd 212 and went with the 410 as it sounded a little more articulate and focused. I must say that I too am sick of lugging it to all my gigs ( 2-3 a week)- I will say that it always delivers thick, articulate, warm, room filling bass- typically little FOH support. That said this new 212 has me very interested...
I will say that Ken had me sold on the Streamliner with his huge endorsement at one time- I bought one, gigged and rehearsed it with the HD410 for about 6 months- I still rehearse with it once a week because I sold it to my guitarist and that band rehearses at his studio. It is a nice amp, but in my humble opinion doesn't live up to the hype that was presented. So mid shy, too many baked in lows, so hard to articulate through an entire room in the real world- my experience only of course, but three bands worth of band mates all agreed, not to mention a handful of soundmen.
I want to pre-order a CN212 just because Bergantino has proven to be ridiculously stable, well built, and well, just such a nice product. I just spoke with Gelb music about ordering 2 HD 112s and now feel like that would be a bad call I hate to jump on the bandwagon, especially when I did it once before based on the same guys opinion and especially when my needs as a player seem so different than his. I will say that the fact that he sold his Streamliner after backing it so hard may mean that we're closer than I thought gear wise. I think Bergantino makes incredible cabs. I want something lighter. I like what I hear. I want to believe what I hear. I fear that this is the new streamliner thread ....
set me straight Ken because this cab sounds like exactly what I'm looking for......

[Robin Ruscio]

Originally Posted by 5StringPocket

+1 It's not an easy business to enter and stay viable in.

Slight topic departure... From what I've read, it looks like TecAmp's Puma 900 is another one of those "sweet spot" amps for both the Berg CN212 and Baer ML112. I was wondering if it would be a good compact alternative to the Genz SM9.2 with a simpler layout and somewhat similar tone profile? The SM9.2 is an excellent amp but I like the simple efficiency of the Puma 900 layout and thought it might be a good companion for the Streamliner 900 which has the tube thing covered. Any thoughts on the SM9.2 vs Puma for these cabs?

Hi Ken,

I'd be interested in your response to this, especially since I just got a Puma 900 2 days ago!

I'm also curious how you think the CN212 might fair as an upright cab for us "doublers".

[nordyboy]

Great to hear so many great experiences of contact with Jim, backs up what is a fantastic legacy of quality and tone.
I am really looking forward the arrival of these New cabs. I think that the 212 is light enough to be a great one cab solution for me, it is light enough to take to any gig with ease.

[One Drop]

Originally Posted by slade

I've got the Hd410 also and am intrigued to say the least. When I bought the 410 I A/Bd it with the Hd 212 and went with the 410 as it sounded a little more articulate and focused. I must say that I too am sick of lugging it to all my gigs ( 2-3 a week)- I will say that it always delivers thick, articulate, warm, room filling bass- typically little FOH support. That said this new 212 has me very interested...
I will say that Ken had me sold on the Streamliner with his huge endorsement at one time- I bought one, gigged and rehearsed it with the HD410 for about 6 months- I still rehearse with it once a week because I sold it to my guitarist and that band rehearses at his studio. It is a nice amp, but in my humble opinion doesn't live up to the hype that was presented. So mid shy, too many baked in lows, so hard to articulate through an entire room in the real world- my experience only of course, but three bands worth of band mates all agreed, not to mention a handful of soundmen.
I want to pre-order a CN212 just because Bergantino has proven to be ridiculously stable, well built, and well, just such a nice product. I just spoke with Gelb music about ordering 2 HD 112s and now feel like that would be a bad call I hate to jump on the bandwagon, especially when I did it once before based on the same guys opinion and especially when my needs as a player seem so different than his. I will say that the fact that he sold his Streamliner after backing it so hard may mean that we're closer than I thought gear wise. I think Bergantino makes incredible cabs. I want something lighter. I like what I hear. I want to believe what I hear. I fear that this is the new streamliner thread ....
set me straight Ken because this cab sounds like exactly what I'm looking for......

It's not fair to put that on another player's shoulders. Take what you can from Ken's wonderful way of relating his wide experience but in the end we are alone to make the decisions based on our own needs and preferences, and of course the way our instruments sound in our own hands.

[KJung]

Originally Posted by slade

I've got the Hd410 also and am intrigued to say the least. When I bought the 410 I A/Bd it with the Hd 212 and went with the 410 as it sounded a little more articulate and focused. I must say that I too am sick of lugging it to all my gigs ( 2-3 a week)- I will say that it always delivers thick, articulate, warm, room filling bass- typically little FOH support. That said this new 212 has me very interested...
I will say that Ken had me sold on the Streamliner with his huge endorsement at one time- I bought one, gigged and rehearsed it with the HD410 for about 6 months- I still rehearse with it once a week because I sold it to my guitarist and that band rehearses at his studio. It is a nice amp, but in my humble opinion doesn't live up to the hype that was presented. So mid shy, too many baked in lows, so hard to articulate through an entire room in the real world- my experience only of course, but three bands worth of band mates all agreed, not to mention a handful of soundmen.
I want to pre-order a CN212 just because Bergantino has proven to be ridiculously stable, well built, and well, just such a nice product. I just spoke with Gelb music about ordering 2 HD 112s and now feel like that would be a bad call I hate to jump on the bandwagon, especially when I did it once before based on the same guys opinion and especially when my needs as a player seem so different than his. I will say that the fact that he sold his Streamliner after backing it so hard may mean that we're closer than I thought gear wise. I think Bergantino makes incredible cabs. I want something lighter. I like what I hear. I want to believe what I hear. I fear that this is the new streamliner thread ....
set me straight Ken because this cab sounds like exactly what I'm looking for......

I love the Streamliner. It sounds exactly as most describe it. I gigged it happily for 2 years. I only recently sold it due to me selling my AE410 due to weight and size considerations. As has always been posted, it is wide, fat, smooth and takes a bit of skill understanding the EQ, and is relatively picky with cab pairings. It sounds FANTASTIC with the HD410 and a 'classic' sort of intrument like a P Bass. The Streamliner is fantastic for those looking for a fat, relaxed, sort of vintage tone. I still HIGHLY recommend it to those looking for that sort of 'clean, all tube amp' sort of vibe with a P Bass. Never used it with my J's at all, never posted that I did.

Not sure how I could possibly set you straight other than say to ignore my posts, given your last experience (or maybe read them a bit closer!)

Edit: Also, if I knew the CN212 was on the way 6 months ago, I would have DEFINITELY kept the Streamliner... almost the perfect voicing match-up for that head IMO!

[chadds]

Jim and his peeps are in for some 2.5ft of snow and gale force winds.
Y'all be safe up there!

[KJung]

Originally Posted by Robin Ruscio

Hi Ken,

I'd be interested in your response to this, especially since I just got a Puma 900 2 days ago!

I'm also curious how you think the CN212 might fair as an upright cab for us "doublers".

The CN212 sounded great to me with my Rob Allen, but DB is such a unique thing, with each bass and pickup combination being massively different. So, can't really comment there. I guess if you are looking for that 'studio monitor' sort of transparent reproduction, there are better options.

This cab sounded very good with my F500, which is relatively similar to the Puma500.

[Bassmanbob]

Originally Posted by chadds

Jim and his peeps are in for some 2.5ft of snow and gale force winds.
Y'all be safe up there!

Excellent! Hopefully they got to work today, they get snowed in at the shop and have nothing to do all weekend but crank out some CN/212s so we can possibly get them sooner.

But seriously, be careful and may you all have a good weekend.

[greenrositti]

Originally Posted by jerry

I'm sure if Jim has a new line to ready by March he is a bit busy, some of my favorite equipment conversations are with him, one of the best in the business.

+1

Jim is a busy guy in general, but a gentleman to the last.

[rodneyat]

Originally Posted by KJung

Edit: Also, if I knew the CN212 was on the way 6 months ago, I would have DEFINITELY kept the Streamliner... almost the perfect voicing match-up for that head IMO!

and soon to be a collector's item....

[KJung]

Originally Posted by rodneyat

and soon to be a collector's item....

It will be interesting to see what is going on with Genz in the future, given all the drama swirling around their being more tightly integrated with their parent company. Hopefully, we will either see a refresh of the Genz line next year at NAMM, or some (finally) killer Fender small amp offerings

[Fuzzbass]

Originally Posted by hennessybass

235 posts in two days for a Berg cab that has not been released yet? Jim has his reputation, and doesn't need (and probably doesn't want) to talk to a bunch of dudes with comments, suggestions, etc. Jim seems to let his work speak for itself.

Like any good businessman Jim values feedback, and his designs are at least in part based on feedback. The release date of the new cabs is coming up fairly soon, so the final design is likely inked already. So yeah, it's probably too late to get your 2¢ in on this cab, but the feedback received on this one (once released) will influence subsequent designs.

[rodneyat]

Originally Posted by KJung

It will be interesting to see what is going on with Genz in the future, given all the drama swirling around their being more tightly integrated with their parent company. Hopefully, we will either see a refresh of the Genz line next year at NAMM, or some (finally) killer Fender small amp offerings

Fully agree. Hopefully, it's just a retool and we will see GB designs still coming out in the future. Just maybe not with a GB name on it.

But, I digress. Back to the topic at hand. I am curiously waiting the new line of Berg cabs. I love my HD112s and HD410 but am always impressed with everything Jim does.

[KJung]

Originally Posted by AmazingMumford

I've had no problems with phone calls to Jim in the past--emails are another matter.

Back on topic: with 2 x HT112ER, 1 x HD112, and 1 x AE410, I'm quite interested in both new lines. But what "child" do I sell to make way for a CN? Employing KJungian psychology, I'm thinking the HD112...

P.S. Somebody call Hoarders! I can't find my floor or swallow my Bowlus!

Well, if you are considering the CN212, then IMO the AE410 would be the most likely candidate for replacement. That is the way I'm viewing my purchase. I sold the AE410 a while ago due to the schlep factor and also digging the bit more open, deep tone of the AE212. However, miss that punch and grind a bit sometimes, which the CN212 does pretty well.

[esoxhntr]

Originally Posted by One Drop

It's not fair to put that on another player's shoulders. Take what you can from Ken's wonderful way of relating his wide experience but in the end we are alone to make the decisions based on our own needs and preferences, and of course the way our instruments sound in our own hands.

+1 and as many zeros as you can imagine...

IMO Jim Bergantino makes a fantastic cabinet - my basement collection is a testimony about how highly I regard his work - but the cabs all sound different, and have different purposes. What works for you is something you'll only know when you try it and gig it. It's really cool to be excited about the latest and greatest (partly why TB can be so much fun, cuz it's like web-based NAMM sometimes), but you really have to try this stuff before you get attached; take it from someone who's made the mistake a number of times.

If you are going to jump onto the pre-order bandwagon , be aware that you are moving into unknown territory, and and be ready for the sound not to be quite what you expected. Tunaman had a good point a few pages back - this kind of buzz sold a load of Streamliners a while back, and lots of them wound up getting resold here. The Streamliner is a good head, but it's not for everybody - and it is an excellent example of the verbal descriptions not quite being able to tell the whole tale... understandably so.

As I said, I have tons of respect for Jim's product - I've gigged his stuff almost exclusively for years. The CN212 will almost certainly be another product that will be the cat's a$$ for some, maybe many. But... if you're in the position where you can't really afford to buy and flip gear at will, and you can't try the thing out in person, you may want to step back and wait to see how this cab works out for guys after the first few months.

May the bandwagon not hit another bump for many pages...

[KJung]

+1 Pre-ordering would not make much sense for most. The whole point of this thread is to make those interested in purchasing a 212 or 112 cab in the near future aware that 'there is something new on the way' that MIGHT be worth waiting a month or two if the tone description seems to be similar to what you are looking for.

There should be quite a few clips and follow-up reviews by the middle of April that will help make the performance of this cab more concrete for TBers.

[lomo]

Originally Posted by chadds

Jim and his peeps are in for some 2.5ft of snow and gale force winds.
Y'all be safe up there!

Yeah-it's all the way up here in Montreal. Snow squalls. Gorgeous to look at from the fireside, but slow, plodding and treacherous on the roads.