New Bergantino Line of Neo Cabs!!!

[saltymonkey]

Originally Posted by dDaddybass

8 ohms, 400 watts if I recall correctly.

I can't wait to hear some first hand reports on this one.

[KJung]

Originally Posted by Art Araya

Ken - have you ever checked out the Glasstone Lil G? That's a very interesting 212 that comes in a 112 size. Seems like the best of both worlds, if it sounds good.

I have not. Not particularly interested in that one. I like the taller form factor, and don't find size as much of an issue as weight. The taller 'in line' sort of thing works better on stage for me and I would guess it is a more 'straightforward' voicing.

[Robin Ruscio]

Originally Posted by KJung

You can get just a bit of an idea of what I'm talking about if you search Ken Jung on Youtube and listen to the F500/Max 9.2 clip with the AE410.

Tried to find you on youtube, and no luck. I've noticed all your old clips seemed to have been removed. Just a bad clip of you jamming at GTG. Can you post a link? THanks man!

[Saluki]

KJ,

Did you compare the CN212 to the Tecamp S212 or could you? With the performance of my Puma 900, the S212 is on my short list of cabs to try as is the CN212.

[3rdcurve]

Originally Posted by jazztonebass

I am on the verge of putting a deposit down on the CN212 but last night, reading about the Baer ML212, I began to hesitate. Gonna power one of these with a Puma primarily using a Rob Allen and a P-Bass. Tough choice.

I find myself in the same situation, though I run a streamliner 900 with jazz and P basses. The CN212 looks to be easily manageable and 2-300 less than a pair of Baer ML112s. The price 212 to 212 is a toss up. By earlier descriptions, it would appear that the Baer will have considerably more output. (It was said that 1 ML112 has more output than an AE210, and that the CN212 has 75% the output of the AE410)

With the extra size and weight of the Baer, I would probably opt for the 2x112's as opposed to the 212.

The questions that remain are:

1. Which tone better suits my playing style, or better yet would work best in multiple styles if my tastes change?

2. Is there a significant advantage regarding dispersion with the Baer's mid loaded design?

3. Would the CN212 have the volume capability to cover any gigs that do not have FOH support?

[GRoberts]

Excellent question! I want to know as well.

Originally Posted by 3rdcurve

..... By earlier descriptions, it would appear that the Baer will have considerably more output; (It was said that 1 ML112 has more output than an AE210, and that the CN212 has 75% the output of the AE410)

With the extra size and weight of the Baer, I would probably opt for the 2x112's as opposed to the 212.

The questions that remain are:

1. Which tone better suits my playing style, or better yet would work best in multiple styles if my tastes change?

2. Is there a significant advantage regarding dispersion with the Baer's mid loaded design?

3. Would the CN212 have the volume capability to cover any gigs that do not have FOH support?

[KJung]

Originally Posted by Saluki

KJ,

Did you compare the CN212 to the Tecamp S212 or could you? With the performance of my Puma 900, the S212 is on my short list of cabs to try as is the CN212.

Not directly, since I sold my last s212 to Jason (Vision) quite a while ago. To my memory, similar tone (articulate, nice top end) with the Berg being MUCH fatter down low and capable (just like the AE212) of MUCH higher maximum volume.

[KJung]

Originally Posted by 3rdcurve

I find myself in the same situation, though I run a streamliner 900 with jazz and P basses. The CN212 looks to be easily manageable and 2-300 less than a pair of Baer ML112s. The price 212 to 212 is a toss up. By earlier descriptions, it would appear that the Baer will have considerably more output. (It was said that 1 ML112 has more output than an AE210, and that the CN212 has 75% the output of the AE410)

With the extra size and weight of the Baer, I would probably opt for the 2x112's as opposed to the 212.

The questions that remain are:

1. Which tone better suits my playing style, or better yet would work best in multiple styles if my tastes change?

2. Is there a significant advantage regarding dispersion with the Baer's mid loaded design?

3. Would the CN212 have the volume capability to cover any gigs that do not have FOH support?

Just FYI, in my direct comparison with the ML112 and my AE210, the absolute max volume was very similar (which is impressive for a 112), with the Baer having a bit fatter low end.


For your point 1, hard to say. Again both cabs would tend to make a similar player relatively happy IMO.

Point 2, the mid driver will spread the upper mids above 1K a touch better than the relatively vertical CN212. Of course, once you get above 3K or so, the top end of the Berg will actually spread a bit better (with the nice horn loaded tweeter and amazing crossover). No free lunch with any of these designs. If you are grinding some upper midrange distortion, that mid driver (Faital) is a thing of beauty. If you want a bit more meaty mid response and a bit higher treble extension that is still warm and relaxed, the CN212 is magnificent.

Point 3: Unless you are pushing a high quality 410 to its absolute limits, the CN212 (and ML212) should handle just about anything you throw at them, and sound more even as a bonus (and in the case of the CN212, in a significantly smaller, ligher package). I've yet to run into a gig that the AE212/CN212 couldn't handle (at least when comparing it to my AE410 in the same rooms at the same volume).

IMO and IME. The Streamliner will sound MAGNIFICENT with either cab(s).

[brotherbassj]

Originally Posted by dDaddybass

8 ohms, 400 watts if I recall correctly.

NV158??????????? I missed this!!!!!!!!! Can someone PLEASE tell me whatever they know?

[KJung]

Originally Posted by brotherbassj

NV158??????????? I missed this!!!!!!!!! Can someone PLEASE tell me whatever they know?

Someone on TB is doing a field test (like I did with the CN212). Not sure when/if he will post up, or when the cabinet will be introduced.

From a very brief email back and forth with Jim, it will be part of the NV line (assuming it is introduced... it seems it will be), is a sealed 115 with an 8" mid driver and weighs 53 pounds. Sounds like it will be pretty good, and Jim mentioned that he tried to basically build (if I remember this correctly) a 'small NV215 with more clarity up top'.

Hopefully, that field tester will put up a thread eventually to spill the beans on it.

[Tunaman]

Originally Posted by dukeorock

Can't say as I blame Jim for not doing 10's in this line...for most of the high end neo drivers, 10's, 12's and 15's all cost about the same, with 10's and 12's often being slightly MORE expensive than the 15's. With that being the case I think it makes sense to get the most sensitivity and SPL you can for your buck

Given that 12s are pricier than 15s, I'd be interested in seeing a 215 version of this for a similar price... unlikely though but I'm replacing a GK NEO 412, I want the same oomph! ha ha

[3rdcurve]

Originally Posted by KJung

Just FYI, in my direct comparison with the ML112 and my AE210, the absolute max volume was very similar (which is impressive for a 112), with the Baer having a bit fatter low end.

IMO and IME. The Streamliner will sound MAGNIFICENT with either cab(s).

Thanks Ken.
So, you would say that the volume capabilities between the Baer and Berg should be fairly close?

And, the CN would be a little tighter and lighter on the low end?

[KJung]

Originally Posted by 3rdcurve

Thanks Ken.
So, you would say that the volume capabilities between the Baer and Berg should be fairly close?

And, the CN would be a little tighter and lighter on the low end?

It is hard to say. I know Roger uses some pretty heavy duty drivers in that cab, it is a bigger box, etc. I have never A/B'd them in a really pumping gig situation (again, my only direct experience is with the ML112). Since I know Jim uses some pretty special OEM drivers also, and from my experience with the AE212, I would say 'close enough', most likely with the advantage in maximum wump to the Baer. However, just guessing.

The CN212 is definitely voiced fatter down low than the ML right out of the box to my ears... that low mid fat push. That doesn't mean you couldn't dial that in with the ML. Neither of these designs IMO and IME are about 'shaking the rafters sub 40hz'.

[3rdcurve]

Originally Posted by KJung

It is hard to say. I know Roger uses some pretty heavy duty drivers in that cab, it is a bigger box, etc. I have never A/B'd them in a really pumping gig situation. Since I know Jim uses some pretty special OEM drivers also, and from my experience with the AE212, I would say 'close enough', most likely with the advantage in maximum wump to the Baer. However, just guessing.

The CN212 is definitely voiced fatter down low than the ML right out of the box to my ears... that low mid fat push. That doesn't mean you couldn't dial that in with the ML. Neither of these designs IMO and IME are about 'shaking the rafters sub 40hz'.

As per our PM's, I'm not looking for the sub lows. More of a newer/lighter version of my old bag end stack. That thing would punch and grind! It also however, ran out of steam down low when really pushed as well as lacked some clarity up high. Maybe what I am searching for doesn't exist, but I have a feeling either of these two offerings will get me darn close. If only I had $2600 lying around, then I wouldn't have to speculate!

[NickyBass]

I am probably going to sell my Epifani gear and pre-order 2 1x12's. There is a lot of info in this thread, but, Ken, you had me at "28 pound Bergantino".

[chadds]

Originally Posted by kringle77

Lets not scare Ken away this time. I love his videos.

I'm parked on his front lawn. "What?"

[stephenleejp]

Any chance there might be a padded bag for these bad boyz?

[tombowlus]

Originally Posted by stephenleejp

Any chance there might be a padded bag for these bad boyz?

Jim made one for the HD212, and if the CN212 has the same dimensions and handle locations, then you should be all set. If it is somewhat different, then I'm sure Jim will come up with a padded cover for the CN212, as well.

[KJung]

Originally Posted by tombowlus

Jim made one for the HD212, and if the CN212 has the same dimensions and handle locations, then you should be all set. If it is somewhat different, then I'm sure Jim will come up with a padded cover for the CN212, as well.

Hey Tom,

I'm assuming he means an actual carry bag (like the little Wizzy bag) versus a padded cover.

To the OP, not carry bags, but the Bergantino padded covers for the CN212 and CN112 will be available whent he cabs start to ship, and per Tom's point, should be identical to the HD112 and HD212 covers.

[KJung]

Originally Posted by Robin Ruscio

Tried to find you on youtube, and no luck. I've noticed all your old clips seemed to have been removed. Just a bad clip of you jamming at GTG. Can you post a link? THanks man!

Here it is. I did eliminate my Youtube channel about a year ago, but put back up a few clips per request.

This clip is not of the CN212 of course, and focused more on the Max 9.2 and F500 than the AE410. However, this tone is easily achieved with the CN212 (and is even improved IMO by a bit more low end push).

If nothing else, you can hear what I call 'the sound in my head' for context, since this clip is pretty representative of the J tone I like.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AsWHd...yer_detailpage