New Bergantino Line of Neo Cabs!!! - Page 2

greenrositti · #21 02-04-2013, 09:37 AM

I almost cried the day I sold my HD 212 due to its weight. This is stunning news--thanks Jim and Ken!

bikeplate · #22 02-04-2013, 09:41 AM

Hey Ken. Think these cabs will be a good match for a Mesa tube head? Love my HS410 but its 85lbs and I'm getting old!

marc40a · #23 02-04-2013, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by bikeplate

Hey Ken. Think these cabs will be a good match for a Mesa tube head? Love my HS410 but its 85lbs and I'm getting old!

Getting old? Dude, you got old... a long time ago.

KJung · #24 02-04-2013, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by bikeplate

Hey Ken. Think these cabs will be a good match for a Mesa tube head? Love my HS410 but its 85lbs and I'm getting old!

I'm 'tube head' clueless. This cab does have that 'tight, fat low end, organic top end' that seems to work great with all tube heads. I can guarantee this would be an amazing cab for the Streamliner fans, and it yin yangs wonderfully with my Aguilar TH500.

I would guess it would work great, but that might be worth a call to Jim.

marc40a · #25 02-04-2013, 09:43 AM

j/k... I'm a quadragenarian, too.

marc40a · #26 02-04-2013, 09:44 AM

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The Tolex is pretty cool. I know one of the few complaints about the AE line of cabs was that the spray on finish, while beautiful, was a bit fragile. I also know that a heavy duty truck bed like finish adds a meaningful amount of weight to the cab, so this seems like a good compromise of great looks, reasonable ruggedness (I always recommend the padded cover for any high end cab), and super lightweight combined with quite amazing performance (tonally and volume-wise).

Good points.

Session1969 · #27 02-04-2013, 09:47 AM

Sub'd.

Saluki · #28 02-04-2013, 09:47 AM

Awesome!

bikeplate · #29 02-04-2013, 09:54 AM

Thanks Ken. Ill call him when I'm ready. Great review, btw

Baird6869 · #30 02-04-2013, 09:56 AM

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Here is a picture next to my beloved AE210(II). The CN212 sounds like an AE210 with a much meatier low end and of course, massively more volume. Amazingly, not much heavier than a single AE210

It's big, but who cares when it is so light!

KJung · #31 02-04-2013, 10:03 AM

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It's big, but who cares when it is so light!

It is quite a bit bigger than the AE210, which is one of the smallest 210's out there. But, it is actually small for a 212 cab, compared to most (or at least the average) on the market (other than the sideways firing designs, etc.).

Trust me, I'm the ultimate wuss when schleping a rig, and this thing is effortless. I can easily carry it up and down a full flight of stairs (it is thin front to back), and it fits wonderfully on my small hand cart. While port location doesn't have much impact on tone or performance, the front ports allow me to cram the cover/cases behind my amp on stage (bonus).

It sounds VERY big for its size. Jim IMO did a very good job of voicing the low end for 'maximum meaningful, musical wump' in a live setting IMO.

Interesting to listen to it right next to the AE212 (which I still dig a lot). With all my heads and basses, much less 'knob twisting' for me with the CN212. It is voiced to kind of bring out what a bassist needs on the stage without any 'extremes'... the low end is not overextended, the mids are not spikey, and the treble is not sizzly. Almost like he locked himself in a room and listened to 24 hours of Leland Sklar, Michael Rhodes, Bob Glaub, Will Lee, etc. and then said 'OK, let's get to work and do that thing'!

shackled · #32 02-04-2013, 10:03 AM

I can only dream of such things...
But it's nice to dream.

nostatic · #33 02-04-2013, 10:03 AM

28lb 1-12 is win if it has cajones. I'm confused when you say that the CN cab has organic highs but is brighter than the HD ("I still think Jim personally feels his HD cabs are 'the top of the line' based on his 'tone in his head', but I think he is also very happy with the somewhat brighter but still very fat CN tone."). So the HD is a bit more relaxed/open up top?

How would you compare the CN to the Baer?

GRoberts · #34 02-04-2013, 10:08 AM

Most exciting Bass Cab news since Baer cabs.

Now that I know there will be 1x12 versions, this will of course beg the question whether the modular approach offsets the cost difference. The cost difference is so much higher for a pair of 1x12's. Things that make me go hmm? Will the CN212 be so friendly I may as well just go that route?

KJung · #35 02-04-2013, 10:14 AM

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28lb 1-12 is win if it has cajones. I'm confused when you say that the CN cab has organic highs but is brighter than the HD ("I still think Jim personally feels his HD cabs are 'the top of the line' based on his 'tone in his head', but I think he is also very happy with the somewhat brighter but still very fat CN tone."). So the HD is a bit more relaxed/open up top?

How would you compare the CN to the Baer?

'Bright' meaning a bit more of a rise in the upper midrange than the HD's to my ear (and a stronger dose of mid mids). More like the AE410 n that way, but more open (i.e., a higher ratio of lows to mids).... bright but not 'harsh or clanky'. The top end of my 70's J sounds just like the top end of a 70's J when I listen to my favorite old funk records from the 70's.... plenty of 1K, but with a nice 'break up' that keeps it from sounding like the top end of a PA cab.

As you know, I'm a big fan of the Baer ML cabs. I actually posted that many who missed out on the AE210 and AE410 would probably be reasonable pleased with the ML112 or ML212. I've only spent time with the ML112, and have not A/B'd. In general, by opinion is the CN is a bit bigger down low (meaning a more rounder, upper bass bump built in), and a bit more relaxed in the upper mids, which still providing that nice 'graaaaank' if you want it when you really dig it.... that 'hear the windings on the E string' thing.

Both are top of the line. Quite frankly, the main tie breaker for me versus the ML212 was the size and especially the weight. 20 pounds less is significant for me, but I could happily play the ML212 also.

KJung · #36 02-04-2013, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by GRoberts

Most exciting Bass Cab news since Baer cabs.

Now that I know there will be 1x12 versions, this will of course beg the question whether the modular approach offsets the cost difference. The cost difference is so much higher for a pair of 1x12's. Things that make me go hmm? Will the CN212 be so friendly I may as well just go that route?

The CN212 is just so lighweight that I don't really see the advantage of 2 x CN112. The footprint is the same, the cost is significantly less, and the tone would be pretty identical. However, I'm a single cab guy, so take that with a grain of salt.

Munjibunga · #37 02-04-2013, 10:18 AM

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The CN212 is on the left in the picture above.

These cabs will start shipping in early/mid March. I very much appreciate it that Jim doesn't announce products until they are in production with a fixed introduction date.

I will be putting in my order with Greg at Rocket Music today for the CN212.

I'll put up a couple of clips when I get it (this cab definitely has dragged me out of 'clip retirement'... it is really stunning to my ear. I still think Jim personally feels his HD cabs are 'the top of the line' based on his 'tone in his head', but I think he is also very happy with the somewhat brighter but still very fat CN tone. I LOVE it, and the weight spec is stupid good!

I had a chance to try a prototype of the new 212 cab a couple months ago. It was very slightly larger than the AE212, and Jim made some modifications for the final version that brought it back to the same size as the original AE212. I haven't gotten to try the CN212 yet.

Now I'm waiting for the CN322 (but not holding my breath).

KJung · #38 02-04-2013, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Munjibunga

I had a chance to try a prototype of the new 212 cab a couple months ago. It was very slightly larger than the AE212, and Jim made some modifications for the final version that brought it back to the same size as the original AE212. I haven't gotten to try the CN212 yet.

Ken, how's the bottom end on the CN?

Big and fat! I try to describe it a bit relative to the AE cabs above.

Edit: Per your comment about the 322. I had the modular version of that cab for a while. This is totally the opposite of that cab. HT322... lots of deep low end extension, very little upper bass/low mid presence, relaxed mid mid, a bit of a dip in the upper mids combined with a super treble extended tweeter/crossover that gave it a very hi fi (as we use that term on TB) tonal footprint. The CN212 is exactly opposite of that. The AE212 is a touch closer to the HT322 voicing to my ear (not that close, especially up top, but again, more deep bass extended, relaxed in the mids, and 'not bright' in the upper mids).

KJung · #39 02-04-2013, 10:39 AM

I'm overdoing it here a bit on the comparisons, but hopefully it is a bit helpful. Here's another way to think about it, based on my experience with Jim's line.

The CN212 would make the NV610 and AE410 guys feel relatively at home (plenty of differences, but the CN has that fat, round low end push and lots of mid complexity).

The CN212 would probably not make lovers of the HT210, the HT112ER or the HT322 particularly thrilled (i.e., those that like an extended deep low end like the old HT210 or HT322, and/or the super hi fi, extended crystal clear top end with totally clean/relaxed upper mid resonse of most of the old HT line).

This is more like.... 'take all the best bits from the entire AE line-up, combine/mash em up', then drop the weight by 20% or so).

bass12 · #40 02-04-2013, 10:40 AM

Good to know neo Bergs are once again available. I've been using an AE 210 and AE410 for the past couple of years and, aside from the easily chipped paint (which I'm guessing Jim doesn't use anymore), they are perfect.