New Bergantino Line of Neo Cabs!!! - Page 3

Saluki · #41 02-04-2013, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by KJung

The CN212 is just so lighweight that I don't really see the advantage of 2 x CN112. The footprint is the same, the cost is significantly less, and the tone would be pretty identical. However, I'm a single cab guy, so take that with a grain of salt.

What is the expected cost anyway?

nostatic · #42 02-04-2013, 10:49 AM

CN212 $1,170

CN112 $ 749

Musicman20 · #43 02-04-2013, 10:59 AM

Wowzers. That is LIGHT. Ok, I missed out on the AE212. I'm not missing out on this, plus, its tonal profile seems to fit what I have at the moment.

Any news when Bass Direct might be getting these?

Tim1 · #44 02-04-2013, 11:13 AM

Wow. This could be the cab I have been looking for to go with my new Fender Bassman 100T. Or it could tempt me back to the dark side and bringing out the Markbass head again. Definitely top of my gas list, go Jim!

nordyboy · #45 02-04-2013, 11:23 AM

The 212 looks fantastic, I really want to try one of these cabs, will be interesting having owned the hd212 to see how it performs, the hd being my favorite cab so far.

nordyboy · #46 02-04-2013, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Musicman20

Wowzers. That is LIGHT. Ok, I missed out on the AE212. I'm not missing out on this, plus, its tonal profile seems to fit what I have at the moment.

Any news when Bass Direct might be getting these?

I am sure Mark will join the thread soon, I will be over there the day they arrive!

rmars · #47 02-04-2013, 12:21 PM

Cool news, love my HD212 but I have to say dropping 30+ lbs for something in the simliar tonal ballpark would be pretty awesome...

KJung · #48 02-04-2013, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by rmars

Cool news, love my HD212 but I have to say dropping 30+ lbs for something in the simliar tonal ballpark would be pretty awesome...

I'm pretty sure the HD212 will have a bit smoother response and be a bit bigger down low and probably pump a bit harder when really pushed (I've only spent time with the HD112). You would hope you would get something for those extra 30 pounds or so!

Luckily, the rounder punch and brighter upper mids fits in with my tonal goals very well, so the voicing of the CN212 is actually a positive for me. For some, that will probably not be the case. I don't think the HD line is going anywhere.

GRoberts · #49 02-04-2013, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by KJung

I'm pretty sure the HD212 will have a bit smoother response and be a bit bigger down low and probably pump a bit harder when really pushed (I've only spent time with the HD112). You would hope you would get something for those extra 30 pounds or so!

Luckily, the rounder punch and brighter upper mids fits in with my tonal goals very well, so the voicing of the CN212 is actually a positive for me. For some, that will probably not be the case. I don't think the HD line is going anywhere.

I gigged my AE410 last weekend and pushed it pretty dang hard. It always works well, but I could have used a bit more low and/or low mid push. Will the new CN212 give me more low fatness, punch and low mids than the AE410 ...do you think?

nostatic · #50 02-04-2013, 12:31 PM

On some level there is no hiding from physics. The driver weight difference isn't 30lbs so there has to be cabinet construction differences. The trick when you start slimming down the cab is keeping the grunt there, at least IME. For instance I felt that the Aggie SL112 cab, while wonderfully light, started to lose steam when you leaned on it.

KJung · #51 02-04-2013, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by nostatic

On some level there is no hiding from physics. The driver weight difference isn't 30lbs so there has to be cabinet construction differences. The trick when you start slimming down the cab is keeping the grunt there, at least IME. For instance I felt that the Aggie SL112 cab, while wonderfully light, started to lose steam when you leaned on it.

+1 Also, cabs are voiced differently within a line to appeal to different players. I TOTALLY dig the CN212 more than any other Berg cab I've played. It just happens to be lighter than any other Berg cab I've played.

I wasn't particularly impressed with the AE112 as a stand-alone solution, and chose the AE210(II) for my small cab needs. I did feel the HT112ER (and HD112) was better for stand-alone performance, but the voicing was not my thing.

So, different strokes. I think the CN212 will really be an eye opener for those players (especially pop/funk/smooth jazz/modern country players) who seemed to have migrated toward 410 cabs for that sort of tonal profile and maximum punch per pound and inch of stage footprint.

rmars · #52 02-04-2013, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by KJung

I'm pretty sure the HD212 will have a bit smoother response and be a bit bigger down low and probably pump a bit harder when really pushed. You would hope you would get something for those extra 30 pounds or so!

Luckily, the rounder punch and brighter upper mids fits in with my tonal goals very well, so the voicing of the CN212 is actually a positive for me. For some, that will probably not be the case. I don't think the HD line is going anywhere.

I think I would dig the brighter upper mids. I love the Shuttlemax but it's missing something in the upper mids and highs that I loved about my Demeter 201s. The lows and mids on the Shuttlemax are considerably better and that's my bread and butter so it was a fair trade off. I wonder if the brighter upper mids of the CN might get me a bit closer to what I liked about the Demeter but with the roundness and fullness of the Shuttlemax/HD?12 combo?

Spencer! · #53 02-04-2013, 12:45 PM

Glad to see it's front-ported. I didn't like the rear-ported AE212 at all. I dug the sound of the HD212, but at 46 pounds I'm gonna have to check out this CN212 as soon as it's in Bass NW.

KJung · #54 02-04-2013, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Spencer!

Glad to see it's front-ported. I didn't like the rear-ported AE212 at all. I dug the sound of the HD212, but at 46 pounds I'm gonna have to check out this CN212 as soon as it's in Bass NW.

Just remember, port location is little to nothing to do with performance. If Jim would have decided to rear port the CH212, it would have sounded virtually identical.

That being said, it is a smart business move for him to do that because a) some feel it matters

, and b) he can use the same 'machinery' or whatever to cut and assemble the CN as the HD.

To your point, this cab (regardless of port position) is closer to the sound of the AE410 than it is to the AE212.

Spencer! · #55 02-04-2013, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by KJung

Just remember, port location is little to nothing to do with performance. If Jim would have decided to rear port the CH212, it would have sounded virtually identical.

No matter how many times people on Talkbass say it, I don't believe it. Every time I play a gig on a rear-ported cab it just doesn't perform the same way.

I didn't particularly like the voicing of any of the AE cabs (they were all shy in the low end) so I'm hoping this new one has some more booty to it.

wellso74 · #56 02-04-2013, 12:57 PM

did you get a chance to gig with two- 112's as opposed to a 212 cab? I am interested in the sonic differences between the two!

GRoberts · #57 02-04-2013, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by wellso74

did you get a chance to gig with two- 112's as opposed to a 212 cab? I am interested in the sonic differences between the two!

Knew this would become a question. It always is. >..but at $1170 for the CN 212, same footprint, 46 lbs, ...Makes me wonder why I would really get too excited about a pair of CN1x12's for $1500. Ya know?

KJung · #58 02-04-2013, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Spencer!

No matter how many times people on Talkbass say it, I don't believe it. Every time I play a gig on a rear-ported cab it just doesn't perform the same way.

I didn't particularly like the voicing of any of the AE cabs (they were all shy in the low end) so I'm hoping this new one has some more booty to it.

If you disliked all the AE cabs, my guess is you will feel similar toward this one. If you liked the AE410, but felt it lacked a bit in full open low end, or played the AE212 and felt it was a bit too wide and didn't punch quite as much, well then the CN212's 'blend' of the voicing of these two cabs (IMO and IME) might make you very happy. It made me giddy... like a much refinded Eden 410XLT, or an 'opened up' AE410, in a very small, very lightweight package.

Like any cab, it won't be for everyone, which is why I'm going overboard a bit on trying to describe it.

And again, it would not surprise me if you played a rear ported cab (or cabs) that you didn't like. It just wasn't due to the rear port

3rdcurve · #59 02-04-2013, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by KJung

. I can guarantee this would be an amazing cab for the Streamliner fans

There are so many fantastic cabs coming down the pipe right now my head is spinning! I have never had the pleasure of playing through a berg, but they seem to have some of the most dedicated fans. This 212 has really sparked my interest with its size and weight. Ken's endorsement for being a great match with my beloved Streamliner may just prove to be detrimental to my bank account!

Ken, how does the berg compare to your TC15?

KJung · #60 02-04-2013, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by wellso74

did you get a chance to gig with two- 112's as opposed to a 212 cab? I am interested in the sonic differences between the two!

I have never heard the 112's. If this line is like most 112 to 212 comparisons within companies' product lines, the 212 and 112 x 2 will sound very similar, with the 212 having a bit more ooomph down low. Pure guesswork there based on other companies' offerings.