New Bergantino Line of Neo Cabs!!! - Page 4

jasonbraatz · #61 02-04-2013, 01:11 PM

So, when does the CN412 come out?

Jeff Moote · #62 02-04-2013, 01:11 PM

While port location does not impact performance, what is in front of (or behind) the port does. Placing a rear ported cab in a good place relative to walls, and without any crap behind it is tricky at best in most venues. In a lot of cases it's impossible. That is probably why so many people have bad experiences with rear ported cabs.

I stay away from them for that reason - behind the cab is the ideal spot to stash gigbags, etc. if there's any room there in the first place. Often the cab gets shoved up against a wall as close as it can be leaving room for the connections.

KJung · #63 02-04-2013, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeff Moote

While port location does not impact performance, what is in front of (or behind) the port does. Placing a rear ported cab in a good place relative to walls, and without any crap behind it is tricky at best in most venues. In a lot of cases it's impossible. That is probably why so many people have bad experiences with rear ported cabs.

I stay away from them for that reason - behind the cab is the ideal spot to stash gigbags, etc. if there's any room there in the first place. Often the cab gets shoved up against a wall as close as it can be leaving room for the connections.

This is untrue. A well designed rear port will have no directional frequencies coming out of the port. What is behind it will have virtually no differential impact due to front or rear ports.

Also, the speaker cable connection makes it virtually impossible to plug the port against the wall (i.e., get closer than 4 or so inches).

That being said, I agree with you that it is nice to be able to cram the cover, etc. behind your amp with a front ported cab. No real downside to front porting.... +1

KJung · #64 02-04-2013, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by jasonbraatz

So, when does the CN412 come out?

It will be introduced with the CN212. It will cost about $2,400, and come in two boxes

Jazz Ad · #65 02-04-2013, 01:20 PM

I may have found a companion for my IP112ER.

rodl2005 · #66 02-04-2013, 01:23 PM

I'll wait for a CN115 & 215

I can't see me getting these, but hope they do well for Jim.
He does make THE bass cabs.

nostatic · #67 02-04-2013, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by KJung

Just remember, port location is little to nothing to do with performance. If Jim would have decided to rear port the CH212, it would have sounded virtually identical.

That being said, it is a smart business move for him to do that because a) some feel it matters

, and b) he can use the same 'machinery' or whatever to cut and assemble the CN as the HD.

To your point, this cab (regardless of port position) is closer to the sound of the AE410 than it is to the AE212.

IME port location does matter when you play tight stages and get shoved back against a wall. Like this:

Spencer! · #68 02-04-2013, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by KJung

If you disliked all the AE cabs, my guess is you will feel similar toward this one. If you liked the AE410, but felt it lacked a bit in full open low end, or played the AE212 and felt it was a bit too wide and didn't punch quite as much, well then the CN212's 'blend' of the voicing of these two cabs (IMO and IME) might make you very happy. It made me giddy... like a much refinded Eden 410XLT, or an 'opened up' AE410, in a very small, very lightweight package.

Hmmm...I guess I'll just have to try it for myself. All I can say is that after seeing the weight, I really want to like the tone!

KJung · #69 02-04-2013, 01:36 PM

The key here is, for all those who for whatever reason prefer front ports... the CN has 'em

4-string · #70 02-04-2013, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by nostatic

On some level there is no hiding from physics. The driver weight difference isn't 30lbs so there has to be cabinet construction differences. The trick when you start slimming down the cab is keeping the grunt there, at least IME. For instance I felt that the Aggie SL112 cab, while wonderfully light, started to lose steam when you leaned on it.

If the construction is good enough, amazing things can happen. I am still amazed at my Barefaced Big Twin T - no vibrations or rattle at all at 26 kgs. It's the first time ever I don't have tape down my setlists on top of my amp, they just sit there peacefully.

AMp'D.2play · #71 02-04-2013, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by KJung

Edit: Forgot... price:

CN212 $1,170

CN112 $ 749

Wow! The single 12 is only $74 more than the HD112. I'm very happy with my HD112 stack, but saving an add'l 16 lbs per cab gets my attention.

I would consider the extra cost over the HD as insurance against throwing my back out. 28 lbs puts it in the Aguilar SL112 territory.

I eagerly await your sound clips!

Scott McArron · #72 02-04-2013, 02:01 PM

CN212 come in 8 ohms? I know Jim doesn't normally make them that way, but would love a 4 ohm 4 12 stack! It's the only reason I'm considering TecAmp over Berg.

KJung · #73 02-04-2013, 02:23 PM

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CN212 come in 8 ohms? I know Jim doesn't normally make them that way, but would love a 4 ohm 4 12 stack! It's the only reason I'm considering TecAmp over Berg.

No, only 4

KJung · #74 02-04-2013, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by GRoberts

I gigged my AE410 last weekend and pushed it pretty dang hard. It always works well, but I could have used a bit more low and/or low mid push. Will the new CN212 give me more low fatness, punch and low mids than the AE410 ...do you think?

+1 Like a more even, refined AE410 to my ear. Closer to that cab in voicing than to the AE212. The AE410 cranks like a monster, as you know, but the tonal footprint of the CN212 is more pleasing to me. What you give up in mid -mid slam, you gain in a more even, rounded tone, and you give NOTHING up in the upper midrange. Pretty much perfect, and I would guess 85% or more of the maximum volume of the AE410 with a wider tonal footprint at 2/3rds the size and 2/3rds the weight. Not bad!

cybersnyder · #75 02-04-2013, 02:36 PM

Looks like a very interesting cab!

Scott McArron · #76 02-04-2013, 02:41 PM

For a one cab solution, this sounds like the shiz to me.

I'm a long time Bergantino fan, have owned most of them, and this looks like the one I've been waiting for. Except I need an 8 ohm config since my Puma is only 4 ohm safe and I want to be able to run two larger cabs down the road. So close...

murphy · #77 02-04-2013, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by nostatic

IME port location does matter when you play tight stages and get shoved back against a wall. Like this:

nice girls!

Bassmanbob · #78 02-04-2013, 04:38 PM

After trying it a couple weeks ago, I was dead set on getting a HD212 within the next week. You mentioned on the first page that this new CN212 sounds like a blend of the AE410 and AE212 with some of the HD212's low end.

How would you compare and contrast the sound of the HD212 with the CN212? I love the sound of the HD212, but would love the lighter cab.

Thanks in advance for your reply.

jasonbraatz · #79 02-04-2013, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by KJung

It will be introduced with the CN212. It will cost about $2,400, and come in two boxes

...and be a 2 ohm load.

Munjibunga · #80 02-04-2013, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by KJung

This is untrue. A well designed rear port will have no directional frequencies coming out of the port. What is behind it will have virtually no differential impact due to front or rear ports.

Also, the speaker cable connection makes it virtually impossible to plug the port against the wall (i.e., get closer than 4 or so inches).

That being said, I agree with you that it is nice to be able to cram the cover, etc. behind your amp with a front ported cab. No real downside to front porting.... +1

But you don't want your cab that close to a wall whether it has front or rear porting.