New Bergantino Line of Neo Cabs!!!

[Munjibunga]

Originally Posted by jasonbraatz

...and be a 2 ohm load.

Eight ohms if you use one of my fancy series cables.

[Tunaman]

Was hoping for a 3 way from Bergantino or a "super" 12 like Baer or Barefaced Big Baby, fearful etc




If the 12s are going to be full range... GK NEOs are just a bit heavier & cost a hell of lot less & sound great... I dunno... Its alright. Just sharing my opinion... thats all, cool if yall are excited. It is awesome that they went back to NEOs... judging by the stock price of MCP & the crash of rare earths back to reality, its a great call.

[tombowlus]

Originally Posted by Tunaman

Was hoping for a 3 way from Bergantino or a "super" 12 like Baer or Barefaced Big Baby, fearful etc.

Jim made a 15/6 prototype which I was able to check out (and then took off Jim's hands, as I couldn't bear to part with it! ). It is a phenomenal cab, and as much as I like the fEARfuls, I have to admit that I dig the Berg 15/6 even more. It's a great, great cab and I would have heavily encouraged Jim to bring this cab to production if it weren't for one thing: the HD212. The HD212 was able to match the 15/6 step for step through it's entire range, and then went on to deliver an extended high range.

What Jim was trying to demonstrate, I think, was that a really good two-way design with a really good crossover and well-chosen components can do anything that a 3-way (or driver/mid setup, if you don't opt for a tweeter) can deliver. Every crossover point presents an opportunity to "not get things right," and I think that Jim prefers the 2-way approach in part because of this. Not that he couldn't do a great 3-way design (the IP153 is credit to that), but in a passive design, he prefers the simplicity of 2-ways.

[tombowlus]

Here's the one-off Berg 15/6:



It's a ceramic based design, btw.

And just for the heck of it, here's the IP153 (with the EX115):

[Bassist30]

Originally Posted by tombowlus

Here's the one-off Berg 15/6:



It's a ceramic based design, btw.

And just for the heck of it, here's the IP153 (with the EX115):

And you had to show it with probably the best pre made? Its good to be the King.

[klejst]

Very cool

[pauliebass]

Originally Posted by Scott McArron

For a one cab solution, this sounds like the shiz to me.

Um.... Yes.

[GregC]

Originally Posted by jasonbraatz

...and be a 2 ohm load.

Combine with DB750/1, level a few city blocks.

[sratas]

sub'd!

[::::BASSIST::::]

So the CN212 is the same exact dimensions as the AE212?

Which is: Dimensions: 31”H x 18-1/2”W x 15”D

At 46LBS, that is pretty sweet.

[jerry]

Subbed!

[rodl2005]

Tom, you SUCK!!!! Damn it!!!! ;-)

[nordyboy]

Hey Ken what a great experience it must have been to work with Jim on developing a New cab, I would have struggled to keep it quiet!
Should be in the UK for around June so looking forward to a test drive, looking forward to some clips in the mean time.

[KJung]

Originally Posted by ::::BASSIST::::

So the CN212 is the same exact dimensions as the AE212?

Which is: Dimensions: 31”H x 18-1/2”W x 15”D

At 46LBS, that is pretty sweet.

Yes, I actually used my AE212 cover when testing the cab. The only physical difference (besides the tolex and front porting) is the low handles, which makes carrying a bit easier.

The weight difference is significant when climbing a flight of stairs, etc., and of course, per my comments above, the tonality of the box is very different from the AE212.

[KJung]

Originally Posted by Tunaman

Was hoping for a 3 way from Bergantino or a "super" 12 like Baer or Barefaced Big Baby, fearful etc

Plenty of those out there already. The CN212 is the thing IMO. Doesn't weigh much more than some 112's, and it HAMMERS and has an impressive voicing that really works nicely with a minimum of muss and fuss on the gig. One of the best single cab solutions I've experienced for those who play in loud but less than ear splitting volumes (like most of us). Also, have yet to hear a mid loaded cab that has the midrange complexity and upper mid warmth of this cab. Just a different thing (although Roger Baer did a pretty darn good job with his design).


The CN112 should be a nice small gig solution for those that want a bit more punchy, warm, organic tone than some of the wider voiced mid driver loaded designs, and for those like me who really care about the top end performance of the bass guitar frequency range, Jim's crossover and voicing up top would be well worth the extra money over more standard production cabs. IMO and IME there. If you are on a strict budget, obviously, Bergantino would probably not be on your radar.

[KJung]

Originally Posted by nordyboy

Hey Ken what a great experience it must have been to work with Jim on developing a New cab, I would have struggled to keep it quiet!
Should be in the UK for around June so looking forward to a test drive, looking forward to some clips in the mean time.

The cab was 'done' by the time I got the prototype, but it sure was fun giving it a final 'neo lover' test. Let me tell you, it was VERY difficult for me to send that cab back. I am looking very forward to getting a production model in March

[Neil]

Thanks for the great info Ken. Much appreciated!

[KJung]

Originally Posted by Bassmanbob

After trying it a couple weeks ago, I was dead set on getting a HD212 within the next week. You mentioned on the first page that this new CN212 sounds like a blend of the AE410 and AE212 with some of the HD212's low end.

How would you compare and contrast the sound of the HD212 with the CN212? I love the sound of the HD212, but would love the lighter cab.

Thanks in advance for your reply.

Never directly compared those two cabs, and only have spent time with the HD112, not the HD212, since that is way over my weight maximum. So, can't really say. I would again, from my limited time with the HD112, assume the HD212 is a bit bigger down low, capable of a bit more hammering down low at high volumes, and be a little more relaxed and 'less bright' up top. I did hear some of that 'round' low end (i.e., the nice dose of upper bass/low mids) in each cab, but like many neo executions, the CN is a bit more complex and present up top (based on my indirect comparison).

Hopefully you will get to try one in March when they start hitting the retailers. I would think if you are at all 'weigth sensitive' (some of us are, some are not), it would be worth waiting 5 or 6 more weeks to make sure.

[Groove Doctor]

Can someone tell me...
I'm looking to grab a CN212 to replace my TC stack (RS210&RS212, 2x8ohms=4ohms). I love it's bottom end.
How will the CN212 compare re: lows? Total volume? Cut thru live in loud band? How single 212 cab competes with TC stack?

I play Tobias 5/rounds, P Bass/flats, Rob Allen Mouse/tapes and others thru Thunderfunk 550 or Mesa Walkabout.

[largo]

So, at 18.5" wide a standard rackmounted amp hangs over the cab. I know it makes no difference to the sound but aesthetically I just can't grow to like it. It should be written into law that cab manufacturers should provide cabs wide enough for rackmounted amps ;0)