New Bergantino Line of Neo Cabs!!! - Page 6

KJung · #**101** 02-05-2013, 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by largo

So, at 18.5" wide a standard rackmounted amp hangs over the cab. I know it makes no difference to the sound but aesthetically I just can't grow to like it. It should be written into law that cab manufacturers should provide cabs wide enough for rackmounted amps ;0)

I would think the 'rack guys' would not be the target for this line of cabs

However, standard racks would fit nicely on this cab, with plenty of room for the feet to sit securely on the top of the cab. If the slight hang-over for some reason bothers you, there is always the HD410

However, to your point, always trade-offs. The more 'vertical' alignment of the drivers in this cab allows for a taller footprint, easy to schlep form factor, and the top driver a little closer to your ear, and a smidge better upper midrange dispersion.

The efficiency, the 4ohm impedance, and the size and weight of this cab make it one of the best match-ups on the market for the large number of 'bagable' amps out there (including the Thunderfunk, which should sit nicely on top of this cab). You can see how a relatively full size head that is not in a rack looks on the cab via my picture of my Glock Blue Soul sitting on top of the (edit) CN212 in the OP of the thread.

Jeff Moote · #**102** 02-05-2013, 06:36 AM

Or perhaps the thought is that if you're using a cab this light, there is no way you're going to tolerate the weight of a rack. It certainly doesn't make much sense to have a head + rack that weighs as much as your cab when there are other options.

TheButlerdidit · #**103** 02-05-2013, 06:48 AM

Ken,
In you original first post, it looks like the Glock head is on the new CN212 cab.
Just looking at where the Bergantino logo is & the placing of the screws on the grill.
Steve

KJung · #**104** 02-05-2013, 06:51 AM

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Originally Posted by TheButlerdidit

Ken,
In you original first post, it looks like the Glock head is on the new CN212 cab.
Just looking at where the Bergantino logo is & the placing of the screws on the grill.
Steve

You are correct. The cab on the RIGHT is the CN. You can kind of see the carbon fiber themed tolex on the edges also. The badge is moved from the AE212 due to the ports being at the top and bottom corners.

Thanks for the catch, and good eye

That picture was taken quite a while ago at the start of my 'field testing' period in December.

largo · #**105** 02-05-2013, 07:14 AM

There are a number of the lightweight amps that are rackmountable, usually more for protection than anything else. I find it's not the weight of a cab that's the problem, it's the combination of the weight and size. I reckon I could carry a 30Kg amp in a rack but would struggle with a 20KG 8x10, so there comes a point where the weight isn't the decising factor.

tombowlus · #**106** 02-05-2013, 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by KJung

I would think the 'rack guys' would not be the target for this line of cabs

However, standard racks would fit nicely on this cab, with plenty of room for the feet to sit securely on the top of the cab.

+1 I've used racks with my HD212, and the feet do sit securely on the top of the cab, and the overhang is not too bad at all.

KJung · #**107** 02-05-2013, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by largo

There are a number of the lightweight amps that are rackmountable, usually more for protection than anything else. I find it's not the weight of a cab that's the problem, it's the combination of the weight and size. I reckon I could carry a 30Kg amp in a rack but would struggle with a 20KG 8x10, so there comes a point where the weight isn't the decising factor.

+1 Always compromise in any design decisions, and there will always be some sort of application that any cab will not be optimal.

There are still a number of 'squat and wide' neo 410's out there that might be an option for you... the Genz Uber410 (and the Uber212, that I think is the same box), the TecAmp 410M, or possible the L212, etc.

Tonally, I'd put up with that slight over-hang as a small trade-off for the Bergantino tonal excellence and build quality, but I can see where some would not agree. For example, I don't care what those little Orange amps sound like, I would never, ever buy one one of those because of the form factor and the way they look. That is also a bit irrational regarding 'what is important', so I'm fessing up that I understand your point

KJung · #**108** 02-05-2013, 07:23 AM

Anyway, look for some better pictures and a couple of clips in early/middle March. As I posted in my OP, I am not associated in any way with the Bergantino brand, so I'm waiting like everyone else (and will pay the same as everyone else). However, Jim did promise me the first one off the line

, so I'll provide some additional data points quite early in the product line's intro period.

I've already let Greg at Rocket Music (great Berg retailer and TBer) that I want to place a 'pre order' as soon as Jim is ready to do the paperwork!

tombowlus · #**109** 02-05-2013, 07:28 AM

Here's a not too great picture showing the slight overhang with an HD212:

KJung · #**110** 02-05-2013, 07:31 AM

Yeah, that doesn't look strange at all... looks pretty good to me actually.

Saluki · #**111** 02-05-2013, 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by KJung

I've already let Greg at Rocket Music (great Berg retailer and TBer) that I want to place a 'pre order' as soon as Jim is ready to do the paperwork!

+1. Very tempted to pre-order too, but so happy with my Baer ML112s.

MKA · #**112** 02-05-2013, 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by KJung

+1 Always compromise in any design decisions, and there will always be some sort of application that any cab will not be optimal.

There are still a number of 'squat and wide' neo 410's out there that might be an option for you... the Genz Uber410 (and the Uber212, that I think is the same box), the TecAmp 410M, or possible the L212, etc.

Tonally, I'd put up with that slight over-hang as a small trade-off for the Bergantino tonal excellence and build quality, but I can see where some would not agree. For example, I don't care what those little Orange amps sound like, I would never, ever buy one one of those because of the form factor and the way they look. That is also a bit irrational regarding 'what is important', so I'm fessing up that I understand your point

Just a side note, there is no M410 in the TecAmp line of cabs, only 4x10 is the L410:
http://www.tecamp.de/en/products.html

KJung · #**113** 02-05-2013, 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by MKA

Just a side note, there is no M410 in the TecAmp line of cabs, only 4x10 is the L410:
http://www.tecamp.de/en/products.html

Thanks.. didn't check. I guess that makes sense, since there is no way to reduce the side-to-side profile of a 410 (other than offsetting the drivers a bit)... it kind of 'is what it is'.

MrDOS · #**114** 02-05-2013, 07:45 AM

My proposed solution for those who, like me, want to put their 19" rack on top

jnewmark · #**115** 02-05-2013, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by tombowlus

+1 I've used racks with my HD212, and the feet do sit securely on the top of the cab, and the overhang is not too bad at all.

My Carvin BX1500 needs to be racked, but it's only 10.5" deep, so a shallow rack is no problem with overhang on most cabs !

vision · #**116** 02-05-2013, 07:55 AM

Wow...I've been GAS free for a few years now. I take one peek inside the amp forum and I see THIS?

nordyboy · #**117** 02-05-2013, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Saluki

+1. Very tempted to pre-order too, but so happy with my Baer ML112s.

Same here, always tempted by Bergs but the ml's are so good that I am in no rush to change.

KJung · #**118** 02-05-2013, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by vision

Wow...I've been GAS free for a few years now. I take one peek inside the amp forum and I see THIS?

Hey Jason. This cab has a LOT of the voicing of your TecAmp s212 (original model), with a LOT more ooomph in the low end and maximum volume capability (drivers have improved since then, and Jim does typically work some magic with his OEM designs).

That s212 (at least the original model that you have.. .didn't really like the revoice of the version II) was my 'standard' for what could be done with a small, high quality 212 loaded box..... until the AE212 came out

With this one, I get more of that 'punchy, bright but fat' tone of the s212, with the slam of the AE212, and come pretty close to the amazing weight spec of that s212!

vision · #**119** 02-05-2013, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by KJung

With this one, I get more of that 'punchy, bright but fat' tone of the s212, with the slam of the AE212, and come pretty close to the amazing weight spec of that s212!

Just amazing!

UpwardGroove · #**120** 02-05-2013, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by KJung

This cab does have that 'tight, fat low end, organic top end' that seems to work great with all tube heads. I can guarantee this would be an amazing cab for the Streamliner fans, and it yin yangs wonderfully with my Aguilar TH500.

Ken,

I recall you stating the AE212 was too much of a good thing (too smooth) when paired with the Streamliner, but the AE210 was a great match. I took you up on that advice and I've been pleased. However, sometimes I find myself wanting more low end extension.

Based your comments above, the CN212 must have a more aggressive midrange than the AE212. How does the CN212 compare to the AE210 across the tonal spectrum (lows, mids, highs) with your TH500 (I think you sold your Streamliner)?