New Bergantino Line of Neo Cabs!!!

[KJung]

Originally Posted by hennessybass

Ken, care to comment on how the new CN212 might compare to Aguilars DB 12s? I have the DB212, and love it, but dang it's a heavy beast. I previously owned an AE212, and love the form factor, so between form factor, and weight, the CN has got me interested.

I know it doesn't make a difference in sound, but I didn't care for the rear ports on the AE212. I didn't have the cab for all that long, but did gig it, and never really remember having one of those moments with it... ya know, one of those "this sounds bad ass" moments.

Below is a post I put up in the TH500 thread. As you might know, I'm a BIG fan of the DB112's (had two of them, and yes, they were ball busters but sounded great). Per you comment on the AE212 versus CN212, they would roughly compare to the GS versus DB line of Aguilar cabs, with the AE212 being a bit wider, more mid relaxed and more 'modern' up top, and the CN212 being fatter in the low mids, punchier in the mid mids, and more than the DB cabs, having a nice rise in the upper midrange that is present but not harsh.

If you dig the DB's, the CN should make you VERY happy (from a weight and tone perspective). Not in any way 'identical' to the DB's, but in that same 'vintage meets modern' mid warm, punchy tone universe.


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Here is the post:

I will tell you guys that I had a near religious experience with the TH500 and my P Bass through the new Bergantino CN212 cab (shipping in March). Similar mid presence to the DB cabs but with a more meaty low end, and a bit more grind and presence in the upper mids.

Really handles the big low end of the TH500, and the organic, warm top end of the TH500 melds beautifully with the present but warm upper mids of the CN212.

HIGHLY recommended with these heads for those of you with around $1,200 to burn (which is actually a reasonble price for a cab of this quality. 46 pounds, 4ohms, and relatively small.

TH500 and a 60's J or a P... forget about it... as good as it gets if you like fat but still articulate and warm up top!

[jnewmark]

Ken, I know you only played the 212, but how would compare the CN212, tonewise, to the HT12 ER ?

[hennessybass]

Thanks, Ken. Very helpful. With Bass Emporium closed, I don't think I would have a chance to play one of these cabs before buying (if I decide to), so thanks for answering my questions.

I tried a GS112 cab, and it was not for me. I have had a ML112 and have been enjoying it as my small cab with the DB212 as my big rig.

[pauliebass]

Originally Posted by pauliebass

I was contemplating jumping on the Baer train, but this changes everything.

The reason I said this is not a "dis" on Baer at all. Some reasons this 212 excites me are:

A. It's built by Jim.

B. It's built by Jim... fine, call me a fanboi

C. The form and weight of the 212 really can be a one cab solution (as stated by others). Does anybody prefer the tone of a single 12 compared to a 212 (of the same brand)? I'm sure someone will say they do... I don't IMO. If the schlep is just as easy for the most part as a 112, why not have a 212? Bringing 2x112 cabs seems like a bigger pain. So, if it's essentially as easy to load in/out as a 112, gives me the tone I want, fits all volume requirements within reason... why do I need a modular 112 rig anymore? I know there are other 212 on the market that fit this bill already, but please refer to points A and B.

[GRoberts]

Originally Posted by pauliebass

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C. The form and weight of the 212 really can be a one cab solution (as stated by others). Does anybody prefer the tone of a single 12 compared to a 212 (of the same brand)? I'm sure someone will say they do... I don't IMO. If the schlep is just as easy for the most part as a 112, why not have a 212? Bringing 2x112 cabs seems like a bigger pain. So, if it's essentially as easy to load in/out as a 112, gives me the tone I want, fits all volume requirements within reason... why do I need a modular 112 rig anymore? I know there are other 212 on the market that fit this bill already, but please refer to points A and B.

EXACTLY my feeling as well! I always prefer a pair of 1x12's, even when played quietly. And when my gig calls for more punch and volume, I'm all set with a 2x12 that weighs slightly more than a 1x12, but packs all the wallop, punch I need with great tone. The new CN212 "for me" is kind of a no-brainer given my considerations. I'm gonna have to find out for myself.

[Spencer!]

Originally Posted by KJung

Below is a post I put up in the
TH500 and a 60's J or a P... forget about it... as good as it gets if you like fat but still articulate and warm up top!

Now I'm really getting interested....I've got a TH500 and a '66 P bass and I'd love something lighter than my HS410. I'm definitely going to have to give this a try.

[Musicman20]

Aguilar type DB tonal profile, with the Bergantino sheen, I want. No questions.

[KJung]

Originally Posted by Musicman20

Aguilar type DB tonal profile, with the Bergantino sheen, I want. No questions.

Hello! I think from our many PM's/emails quite a while back, you will like this one a lot!

[KJung]

Originally Posted by jnewmark

Ken, I know you only played the 212, but how would compare the CN212, tonewise, to the HT12 ER ?

Much different up top, more similar than different down low. The HT112ER is, to my ear, almost the definition of 'hi fi' as we use that term on TB.... clean, relaxed mids, a bit of a dip in the upper midrange that allows the very high end tweeter to really sizzle and 'float a bit' above the cab. Very 'Anthony Jackson' cab as an oversimplification.

The current HD112 is basically the replacement for the HT112ER (same box and driver I believe) with a more 'traditional' sounding tweeter and crossover... warmer, less upper treble extended, and I bit more upper mid presence.

The CN expands on that difference further, with even more mid presence, more upper mid presence, and similar if not quite as big low end (round, punchy, fat).

[Musicman20]

Originally Posted by KJung

Hello! I think from our many PM's/emails quite a while back, you will like this one a lot!

I think you are right! I have hesitated to pony up the money previously as I've never been 100% sure, (the Genz NeoX212T and NX2 are very close though) but the size/weight/quality/output of this, with the tonal profile you discuss, means this is definitely going to be a winner. My patience has paid off haha!

[pauliebass]

I feel like I've eaten a greasy pork sandwich with an extra side of refried beans.

[c-ba55]

I never ever buy new bass gear. Pretty tempted here though. I almost always go 1x12 these days. 28 lb Berg is a pretty fantastic thing. On the other hand, I'm carrying around a 43 lb 112 right now, and sometimes adding a second one, so might as well carry a 2x12 for the same weight?

Only problem is so many old berg 12s are about to go on the market, the flood will depress the price I can get for mine!

[GRoberts]

Originally Posted by c-ba55

I never ever buy new bass gear. Pretty tempted here though. I almost always go 1x12 these days. 28 lb Berg is a pretty fantastic thing. On the other hand, I'm carrying around a 43 lb 112 right now, and sometimes adding a second one, so might as well carry a 2x12 for the same weight?

Only problem is so many old berg 12s are about to go on the market, the flood will depress the price I can get for mine!

better sell now!

[KJung]

Originally Posted by c-ba55

I never ever buy new bass gear. Pretty tempted here though. I almost always go 1x12 these days. 28 lb Berg is a pretty fantastic thing. On the other hand, I'm carrying around a 43 lb 112 right now, and sometimes adding a second one, so might as well carry a 2x12 for the same weight?

Only problem is so many old berg 12s are about to go on the market, the flood will depress the price I can get for mine!

I wouldn't worry too much about that. I didn't notice a ton of HT112's or HT112ER's going up for sale with the AE112 came out. Really kind of a different thing that would not IMO be a direct trade-off. That is the cool thing about the Berg line and Jim's approach to cab design. The lines all have a 'reason for being' and appeal to different players with different tone goals.

When you see guys saying, 'I didn't dig the AE112 but love the HT112ER', and another guy saying 'well, I didn't dig the HT112ER but love the AE112', then you know you have something, the 'something' being top of the line quality and design in each of your cabinet lines, each 'doing what it was designed to do' and often appealing to different player types!

[NOLA Bass]

I think I'm about to have some gear for sale to fund this one! Thanks for all the great info Kjung!

[McFarlin]

Reading all of this makes me think the CN line tone could be compared to the HS line (meaning more similar than AE vs. HS) but with bigger low freq. and more high-mid.

[KJung]

Originally Posted by McFarlin

Reading all of this makes me think the CN line tone could be compared to the HS line (meaning more similar than AE vs. HS) but with bigger low freq. and more high-mid.

Hard to compare that one. The HS line didn't have any 12 loaded cabs that I remember (could be wrong, but I don't remember an HS112). Of course, in and of itself, cone size isn't key, but the HS 10" cabs were basically slightly revoiced versions of the SA 10 cabs (adding a bit more open low end), and the HD 10 cabs are slight revoicings of the HS line (with a bit brighter upper mid presence).

[tombowlus]

Originally Posted by KJung

Hard to compare that one. The HS line didn't have any 12 loaded cabs that I remember (could be wrong, but I don't remember an HS112). Of course, in and of itself, cone size isn't key, but the HS 10" cabs were basically slightly revoiced versions of the SA 10 cabs (adding a bit more open low end), and the HD 10 cabs are slight revoicings of the HS line (with a bit brighter upper mid presence).

Yup, the HS line was limited to the HS210 and HS410.

[nordyboy]

Originally Posted by tombowlus

Yup, the HS line was limited to the HS210 and HS410.

And HS410 is serious artillery!

[bikeplate]

HS410 kills! Any amp I use sounds good