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Old 03-02-2013, 08:17 PM
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New Cab Day! Sunn 215s

Found this steal on a local Craigslist ad. 73 (I think) Sunn 215s. It's the folded horn model with the ports on the side of it. This thing absolutely kills with the Acoustic 370 I have it paired with.

The bottom speaker does buzz a bit sometimes, so I am going to post a separate thread asking for help with this. Other than that, it is much louder than the 810 it is up against in our rehearsal space. Hopefully the slight buzz is just a loose dust cap or something like that, because the speaker is not torn or anything. Click image for larger version

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Hell yeah! Love the old Sunns! Nice grab!
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Old 03-02-2013, 08:38 PM
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Congrats - that's a great cab. I picked up one a few years ago and have since had to recone both speakers. Partly because I play it near it's max values, partly because of the age of the speakers. There are plenty of posts walking you through reconing here if you're up to it. Check the speaker codes and look at eBay for NOS cone kits. If they are JBL's you'd be best to recone it with original parts. Kits are going for $80 to $100 and it will take you 30 minutes to do each. One of the best suggestions I got here was to use a lazy-susan to turn the speaker frame on. As you squeeze out glue you turn the frame and it helps keep a consistant bead and speeds up the process. Good Luck and keep everyone posted.
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Old 03-02-2013, 08:43 PM
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Those look like CTS speakers.
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nice score dude!
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Old 03-02-2013, 08:50 PM
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For those discoloreds grills, try to spray Scrubbing Bubbles. I succeed cleaning my vintage acoustic cab grills to perfection.

Dust caps can be lose. I replaced mine that were damaged, easy. Maybe you just need to re-glue them.

http://www.parts-express.com/pe/show...number=260-998

That company, also, has great glue for it.
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Old 03-02-2013, 08:55 PM
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The speakers are the original transducers. 80 watts each at 8ohm. Square magnets. I can get pics tomorrow.

As for the buzz, it's only the bottom speaker. I checked all the screws and only one was loose and it turns out it was completely stripped. That's not the issue for sure.

The speaker it self looks great. No tears or anything. I'm not sure of it just needs reconed, reglued, or what. It's not vibration either bc the buzz happens at even the lowest volume.

What's your guys' recommendation?

The good thing is at higher volumes, it's not as noticeable. Haha

I figured i would have to replace the speakers at some point anyways, especially at only 160 watts total handling. My main head is an SVT-CL.
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Awesome score, love it and I love the Acoustic 150 on top. I used to have one of those, and it was a fantastic amp.
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Old 03-02-2013, 09:02 PM
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Awesome score, love it and I love the Acoustic 150 on top. I used to have one of those, and it was a fantastic amp.
Yea. I recently got that 370. I plugged the 150 in and after playing the 370, it just doesn't stack up. You can tell the 370 is a true bass amp, while the 150 is a hybrid for guitar or bass. It just lacks the bottom that the 370 has. Didn't notice until playing them back to back. So the 150 will probably be on the way out shortly. Still a great amp, though!
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Classis JBL or Altec are the obvious choice. I a little crazy so I would use a couple Eminence 3015's or Faitals (no silver cap on those though).
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Old 03-02-2013, 09:17 PM
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For those discoloreds grills, try to spray Scrubbing Bubbles. I succeed cleaning my vintage acoustic cab grills to perfection.

Dust caps can be lose. I replaced mine that were damaged, easy. Maybe you just need to re-glue them.

http://www.parts-express.com/pe/show...number=260-998

That company, also, has great glue for it.
Would you think reglue the existing ones? Or replace them altogether?
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Great find.
I found the same box with destroyed drivers... Put in a pair of Eminence Legends and it sounds incredible. "Huge and Clear" is how I would describe the tone (for a 215).
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Old 03-02-2013, 09:33 PM
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Great find.
I found the same box with destroyed drivers... Put in a pair of Eminence Legends and it sounds incredible. "Huge and Clear" is how I would describe the tone (for a 215).
Did you use the 150 watt 8ohm version or the 300 watt 4ohm version?
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I just picked up a Sunn 410H cabinet unloaded for $25.00. I had four brand new Bugera aluminum cone speakers that have since been installed. Sounds really great with decent speakers in it. I am now looking for a vintage Sunn head to pair with it.
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Would you think reglue the existing ones? Or replace them altogether?
If they are lose, just spill the glue around and dry it for 2 days.
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Old 03-03-2013, 12:49 AM
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Nice score! How much did you pay for it? I'm always in the market for a sweet deal on 215S or 200S cabs, and I guess I just want to torture myself with someone else's good fortune...

The 215S is one of the most versatile cabs I’ve ever swapped drivers in, it really sounds good with any driver I’ve tried in it.
Last weekend I gigged my “go to” 215S loaded with EVM15L’s using a Reeves Custom 400 and it sounded glorious. Nice tight bottom and sweet mids and highs, I was hitting it pretty hard too; stupid strong amp un-assisted in a hard rock cover trio in a 150 person venue, tight and defined, no flab or chuffing.

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Congrats - that's a great cab. I picked up one a few years ago and have since had to recone both speakers. Partly because I play it near it's max values, partly because of the age of the speakers. There are plenty of posts walking you through reconing here if you're up to it. Check the speaker codes and look at eBay for NOS cone kits. If they are JBL's you'd be best to recone it with original parts. Kits are going for $80 to $100 and it will take you 30 minutes to do each. One of the best suggestions I got here was to use a lazy-susan to turn the speaker frame on. As you squeeze out glue you turn the frame and it helps keep a consistant bead and speeds up the process. Good Luck and keep everyone posted.
By the time the 215S came out Sunn no longer used JBL for OEM “premium” drivers. The upgrade was Cerwin Vega in that era. However if you were "somebody" Sunn would put in anything you wanted to pay for, my 215S came from the factory with D140F’s but it was an aberration.
My cab was part of a special endorsement deal where JBL’s were specified as part of that agreement, but they were not offered as OEM through retail purchase.

Also, as far “factory” recone kits, AFAIK AlNiCo D and K kits are unavailable, and have been obsolete for years. I’m not saying that there are not a few caches of them around, but I haven’t been able to find them and I’ve looked pretty freekin’ hard.
I will say this though; I will gladly pay $80 - $100 for as many factory JBL D140F or K140 kits as you can turn me on to, AND pay a 10% finder’s fee for every single one I can get. Just point me at the “real McCoys” and I’ll PayPal, CC, or send a check.

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Those look like CTS speakers.
Pretty good chance of that. In the early-mid 70’s Sunn/Hartzell actually had their own speaker shop in that “speaker corner” of KY. That area where Sunn and CTS was, and Eminence and WGS still are. They certainly used CTS as OEM in that era, as well as their own manufactured drivers.
It’s kind of gray, all of the builders there used the same sources for components and even the codes on drivers from that era in that area are a little convoluted. I think it was kind of a scratch back, help each other out scenario; if somebody needed more drivers than they could get built the other builders would fill in the gaps.
Just my guess from talking with some of them, I don’t really have a firsthand perspective.

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I just picked up a Sunn 410H cabinet unloaded for $25.00. I had four brand new Bugera aluminum cone speakers that have since been installed. Sounds really great with decent speakers in it. I am now looking for a vintage Sunn head to pair with it.
I’ve heard those are nice cabs; but they aren’t really Sunn cabs. Those are Fender cabs wearing Sunn badges.
Not that makes them bad cabs, I’m sure they rock, but they aren’t really vintage Sunn gear.
My vintage Sunn amps sound amazingly good through Hartke 410XL’s.
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Old 03-03-2013, 01:02 AM
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Note taken about the cones and such.

I paid $125 for the loaded cabinet. Not too shabby at all.
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Keep those speakers as long as you can. You will never find good replacement, whatever anyone says.
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If the ones that are in there end up blowing these would probably work .
http://www.parts-express.com/pe/show...number=290-497

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Keep those speakers as long as you can. You will never find good replacement, whatever anyone says.
I tend to agree. Run too much power through that cabinet and it may start to "shake, rattle and roll."


Brings back memories - I had that exact same cabinet with a Concert Bass head, purchased in '73. Loved it.
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