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Old 08-04-2011, 01:54 PM
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Cool new eminence eps-15c steel speaker for bass?

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ID:	222158 just saw eminence 15" lightweight steel guitar speaker. Looks like its specs show some bass frequencies plenty of power. Looks like d130 or d140 clone with alum cap. Specs show xmax of 3.3 m m. Is that enough for wide tonal range JBL sound for vintage 60's. Can it handle round smooth low e from my 51' p bass?
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Old 08-04-2011, 02:02 PM
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Low Fs, decent xmax, not ridiculous weight, huge sensitivity, reasonable QTS for a bass driver.

It'd be good in singles for a 50-100w combo, or doubles for a micro head.

Downside is the 'real' calculated sensitivity is a bit less than they post, probably closer to 97-98db.

It'd take two of them to compare with a single 3015 in overall usable maximum volume for bass guitar.


At the price of 219.99, and only coming in 4 ohms, I would say:

Completely and totally useless. (for bass guitar)
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Old 08-04-2011, 02:18 PM
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Thanx. I also looked at the legend 15" CB???. Looked like good specs. Ive got plenty amps & speakers. That's my 6 15"s & pair of 12"s in pic. Got full sound (old style). I just fantasize about the jbl d140 sound.
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Old 08-04-2011, 02:24 PM
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Then buy an old JBL D140.

-also is a k-series JBL that lots of people like very well that's got a lot more mechanical power handling.
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Old 08-04-2011, 02:58 PM
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i see alot of people suggest the eminence kappalite series.
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Old 08-04-2011, 04:53 PM
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It specs closer to the D/E 130, but with more xmax. It would be best with less than 100 watts with bass. And it's a neo, so it won't be cheap. The 11oz magnet is the same as the Kappalite series, so the price probably will be similar.
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Old 08-05-2011, 07:22 AM
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Thanx Bill & all. Would anyone know frequency range & xmax of d140 or k140? Are theses just deep pounding or do they have wide midrange too?

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Would anyone know frequency range & xmax of d140 or k140?
You can find that in the JBL archives.
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Old 08-05-2011, 10:07 AM
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Should I find and compare d130 specs with modern 15"s? Are any comparable? article. Said d140 specs not available. Thanx for any direction. Fudge fan. Vanilla.

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Old 08-05-2011, 11:40 AM
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I have never seen detailed D140 T-S specs but I did come across a reference written by Harvey Gerst that the E140 was essentially the D140 (but with a different finish). So probably the E140 specs would be close enough.

HOWEVER...I have also seen several references saying that the "predicted" volume wound up being something like a 10 cubic ft box, but JBL recommends a 4.0 cu ft box, tuned to 40 Hz, for a single E140. Google "JBL professional enclosure guide"
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Old 08-05-2011, 12:54 PM
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I have never seen detailed D140 T-S specs but I did come across a reference written by Harvey Gerst that the E140 was essentially the D140
It wouldn't be, as the D series was alnico, the E series ceramic, and the two were separated by the also alnico K series. The D140 is a bit of a mystery driver, as there are no records of it in the JBL archives. It's specs are unknown.
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Old 08-05-2011, 12:55 PM
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NBill, I am just trying to compare d130 d140 specs to see if any modern spks compare. in specs & sound. VF fan.l
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Old 08-05-2011, 01:50 PM
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On a related note, over at the Gear Page forum some users have reported that the Weber California model does not capture the tone of the D120, a driver some players pay big money for. Haven't heard one myself, just saying.
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Old 08-05-2011, 03:31 PM
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I've read that d120 have good clean hiend not that much bass. I got couple yrs ago a pair of 12" commonwealths. They good clean highs smooth midrange & warm full lows. I matched it in a deep bass cabinet to Fender mustang v. Few months ago got a Swingster. I love the full rich tones out of setup. Some want loud highs. I'm more bass . I've been mainly trying to compare wide range 15" bass speakers.
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It wouldn't be, as the D series was alnico, the E series ceramic, and the two were separated by the also alnico K series. The D140 is a bit of a mystery driver, as there are no records of it in the JBL archives. It's specs are unknown.
Didn't know the E was ceramic, I've got a D140F which is why I looked all this up years ago. Here's the quote from Harvey Gerst, which is in reply to somebody's questions about the D130/140 series:

">Harvey, you seem like the guy to ask about this. I'm curious for a
>description of what *all* the JBL speaker numbers mean. For example,
>what is the prefix letter? I've personally seen D, E, and K, and I'm
>sure there are more; what does this represent? I've seen numbers like
>120, 130, and 140; these must not be size-dependent, as both a K140 and
>D130 are 15" speakers. Finally, what is the suffix letter? I've seen D,
>E, and F.

Well Hal, let me take you back to the late 50s, early 60s. JBL was a small
company with their main offices above a candy store, and the manufacturing
scattered in a number of buildings up and down the street, near Glendale, on
Fletcher Drive.

They made the following speakers;
the D130 a full range 15",
the D131 a full range 12",
the 130A a 15" woofer,
the 130B (same as the 130A, but 16 ohms),
and the 150 - a 15" woofer with a heavier cone.

The D stood for a metal dome and the A and B were for woofers of different
impedances. I don't remember if we made a 131A. We also made a D123 (full range
pancake 12" speaker) and the D208 and D216 (both 8" speakers but with 8 and 16
ohm voice coils).

Fender was buying D130s for use in their Dual Showman systems, but they were
experiencing problems in surrounds drying out from outdoor use, and burnouts
>from improper mounting techniques. I wrote a memo to the president of JBL,
outlining a plan to let me design a series of speakers made specifically for
musical use and he agreed. My plan called for modifications to the D130 and
D131, plus an all new bass 15" speaker, and a new 10" speaker.

Since Fender was our largest purchaser, I did not want the headache of trying to
re-introduce a whole new series so I kept the D130 name for the 15" and simply
added an F (yes, the "F" is for Fender - don't know why to this day I did that,
but I did). Since I was making up new model numbers, I decided where possible to
keep it simple, so the 12" (originally the D131) became the D120F, and the new
10" became the D110F.

That left the new bass speaker. I didn't want to leave it in the 13x range
because it was different and the 150 was already being used by our theater
woofer. The 140 was not being used, so I named the new bass speaker the D140F.

After I left JBL, I understand they came out with the black crinkle finish and
renamed them E series. The first major modifications were made in the K series,
as I understand it.

>And one other question. Can a similarly-sized frame/magnet assembly be
>reconed with a different kit? Can I take a K140D frame and have it
>reconed with a D130 kit?

I really don't know what changes were made in the K series, so I can't answer
that, but I'll bet the owner of Orange County Speaker Repair can.

>If you could answer these questions, I'm sure I'm not the only one who's
>interested. Even if you can't, any information would be interesting.

Well, Hal, I hope it was interesting.

Harvey Gerst"
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Old 08-05-2011, 06:54 PM
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Thanx, N Bill. What I really want is close as possible d130-d140 frequency usage & xmax to compare with modern 15" woofers. In particular the new eminence eps-15c. If anyone knows these frequencies like 40-3000 Hz? Thanx again for your input. VF fan.

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Old 08-07-2011, 07:31 AM
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Question peavey tnt needs speaker upgrade

Also on another note. I have an 80's TnT 130 RMS
Can someone remind me if it is 4 or 8 ohm? I may try the eps15c in it. Any comments? thanx Fudgefan "the object is to get there firstest with the mostest" NapBonaprt I have many more amp & guitar pics @ Gibson talk on my home page in albums. Fudgemaster. walls of sound.

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Hello. Just ordered a new eminence eps-15c from a dealer tonight. Will be at home by end of week. Will try it in my old peaveyy TNT. He said it has really captured that smooth clean jbl sound. I'm anxious to here how clean & clear my 51' p bass can sound. he said it can easily handle 300 Watts. "the object is to get there firstest with the mostest".
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Old 08-08-2011, 06:15 PM
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Some tnt's were 4ohms but don't know if that holds true for every model. Almost all of the old peavey's (and new) are cool with 2. It's not going to hurt anything to stick it in there and see how it sounds. Just be mindful of the small box/high tuning thing......meaning start quiet and turn up gradually using a bass. Know where the limit is before you exceed it. Steel speakers are made to get loud and stay clean though, more "bass oriented" so to speak.
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Old 08-08-2011, 06:41 PM
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Thanx. He said this speaker handles the c6 tuning. I guess there's a low c or something on the steel? Not sure. I did listen carefully to some demo tests of several steel speakers & you could really hear difference. It just sounded so naked clean & clear. I take it easy at first. That peaveyy box (tnt) isn't very deep. Not with that dull scorpion speaker or whatever. Ill repost when I try with my p bass & my Swingster. fudgefan
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