New Glockenklang Top! Blue Soul

[KJung]

Originally Posted by nomatic

You know I forgot about this.....
I had a Puma over hear against my tonehammer with my
Erizias 6 string and did not dig the low end as much....
I want that big tight low frequency with a cleaner Hi end.
The tonehammer is a little blurry in the upper frequencies
as presented by my Composite TC 115...

I also have a Composite TC115, and the Glock is magnificent, although you have to be a little careful with the combined power and low end extension with that single 4ohm 15 (although it can take a beating, as you know!). +1 That the newer Puma's are brighter with a bit more midrange distortion up top and a tighter low end that actually results in the top end of the amp to be very 'out front', and which can really be heard through the TC!

Edit: FYI..... That upper mid control is your friend with the Puma.... voiced very nicely to clean the top end by removing that upper midrange and letting the treble kind of sit out there on its own like the Glock does set flat. That being said, while the original Puma low end rivaled the Glock, the newer, one space models are considerably tighter down low.

[cnltb]

Originally Posted by KJung

Post up if you take the plunge. I'm really digging it. The power is really something. Amazing how loud this head can get and still maintain TOTAL control of the low end. VERY impressive amp! With the little bit of slapping I still do, it really is something... no transient compression (the AE212 helps with that also), and it delivers big low end and clean, present top end at all volumes and at all levels of 'digging in'. Can't say that about many amps IMO.

The feel of the knobs is worth the price. Feels like they are filled with oil or something.... tight and really smooth. Easy to make very small adjustments on stage if needed. Feels like a million bucks!

I totally will!
It may well take a while though.
It's going to be a great addition to my current main amp...and portable!

I'm also looking to go from two cabs to just one with the IronmanIII from musiciansounddesign a forerunner at this point, as that too is quite a different beast to what I use now.
Well, we'll see.



The other option which is tempting as well, would be an active cab driven by my pre amp...

[Modulus1906]

Originally Posted by KJung

I took a look through the first 5 or so pages of this thread and didn't see that post with the clip. If you can repost, I'll take a listen.

Here is the clip. Thanks

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCwOPbcsCcU

[KJung]

Originally Posted by Modulus1906

Here is the clip. Thanks

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCwOPbcsCcU

I remember that clip now. Given that he has a bit of 'scoop' rolled into the EQ (there is a LOT of sound in the mid mid control at 550hz, and he has that rolled back a bit, and the two bass and two treble controls boosted), the clip does a decent job of communicating the very clean top end. A little 'dry' sounding up there for some, but I dig it a lot. The clip doesn't really convey the massive, crushing low end that head is capable of, but it seems to be a good data point..... warm, big, fat down low, crisp, clean and hi fi up top. The thing that doesn't come through is the mid mid complexity and 'growl' the head is capable of when you dig in. IMO!

[Modulus1906]

Originally Posted by KJung

I remember that clip now. Given that he has a bit of 'scoop' rolled into the EQ (there is a LOT of sound in the mid mid control at 550hz, and he has that rolled back a bit, and the two bass and two treble controls boosted), the clip does a decent job of communicating the very clean top end. A little 'dry' sounding up there for some, but I dig it a lot. The clip doesn't really convey the massive, crushing low end that head is capable of, but it seems to be a good data point..... warm, big, fat down low, crisp, clean and hi fi up top. The thing that doesn't come through is the mid mid complexity and 'growl' the head is capable of when you dig in. IMO!

You, sir, have just sealed my fate

Regards

[nostatic]

so Ken, what are your longer-term thoughts on the Glock? I'm wondering about this relative to the Puma 500/900 with a TC212.

[KJung]

Originally Posted by nostatic

so Ken, what are your longer-term thoughts on the Glock? I'm wondering about this relative to the Puma 500/900 with a TC212.

Not sure about the TC212, haven't tried one. I'm LOVING IT with the AE212. It is a bit 'too much of a good thing' with my TC115, since it is very smooth and fat and has no upper mid bump baked in, and virtually NO midrange distortion. Plenty of low mid control to bump up the punch of the low end with the TC115, but the top end is just too clean and smooth for me personally with that combo.

The TC212 seems like a bit of a different thing than the original 'Thunderchildren', but I can't imagine different enough to where you'd dig the Blue Soul more than the Puma900 with that cab.

I'm digging it though, and really like the matchup with the AE212. The low end is round, not boomy, and just a freakin' hammer... like a CA9 or something... stunning. And, that clean smooth upper mid response, and the VERY clean upper treble, combined with that round, fat, warm low end really is unique. Nice in a mix. ZERO compression when pounding. Totally dig it with the AE212.

I'd spend some serious time with your Puma900 and the TC212 when you get it before thinking about buying anything else. Every bone in my body says that will be the shizzle fanizzle for you.

[RColie]

Originally Posted by KJung

Not sure about the TC212, haven't tried one. I'm LOVING IT with the AE212. It is a bit 'too much of a good thing' with my TC115, since it is very smooth and fat and has no upper mid bump baked in, and virtually NO midrange distortion. Plenty of low mid control to bump up the punch of the low end with the TC115, but the top end is just too clean and smooth for me personally with that combo.

The TC212 seems like a bit of a different thing than the original 'Thunderchildren', but I can't imagine different enough to where you'd dig the Blue Soul more than the Puma900 with that cab.

I'm digging it though, and really like the matchup with the AE212. The low end is round, not boomy, and just a freakin' hammer... like a CA9 or something... stunning. And, that clean smooth upper mid response, and the VERY clean upper treble, combined with that round, fat, warm low end really is unique. Nice in a mix. ZERO compression when pounding. Totally dig it with the AE212.

I'd spend some serious time with your Puma900 and the TC212 when you get it before thinking about buying anything else. Every bone in my body says that will be the shizzle fanizzle for you.

I just opened up TalkBass to ask the same question nostatic just asked. In theory it seems the Blue Soul and the TC212 would bring down the house - figuratively if not literally. However, you're right, Ken, in that it might be too much of a good thing. Still, I might have to try it sometime...

Bob

[nostatic]

Hmm, what about with Berg HD112 (one or a pair)? That might be an interesting match.

This German GAS...I just ordered a Basswitch for use with my powered PA cabs. Evidently that compares favorably to the Glock preamps sonically.

[RColie]

Originally Posted by nostatic

Hmm, what about with Berg HD112 (one or a pair)? That might be an interesting match.

This German GAS...I just ordered a Basswitch for use with my powered PA cabs. Evidently that compares favorably to the Glock preamps sonically.

I've been considering the Basswitch for some time now - I just haven't been able to come up with enough applications for it to justify the expense. It's still on the list, though.

Not sure about the HD112s with the Blue Soul. I like the sound of the HD112s...they're a bit heavy for a 112, but I don't know how they'd match up with the Glock, especially in the mids.

Bob

[nostatic]

Originally Posted by RColie

I've been considering the Basswitch for some time now - I just haven't been able to come up with enough applications for it to justify the expense. It's still on the list, though.

I have been playing around with my QSC K10s for use as bass cabs. I was shocked at how good they sounded at least at lower volumes (eg jazz hits). I want to get some eq capability and could use the front end of the Puma but the Basswitch solves a number of things. It give preamp eq, has 2 effects loops (so I can run a looper into one of them, pedal board into the other, and make one of them foot switchable), and gives DI, all in one package.

[KJung]

Originally Posted by RColie

I just opened up TalkBass to ask the same question nostatic just asked. In theory it seems the Blue Soul and the TC212 would bring down the house - figuratively if not literally. However, you're right, Ken, in that it might be too much of a good thing. Still, I might have to try it sometime...

Bob

I'm going to definitely get the TC115 and Glock out on a few gigs just to really see. It seems, again, a bit too much of a good thing at home, but you know how that can fool you versus being in a mix.

I'll post back up in a while.

[icemangee]

Hi all,
Whats the difference in sound quality between the Blue Soul & the Soul2?
I have a Soul2 & was wondering if the Blue Soul has the same sound qualities although it uses a digital amp.
BTW. I play only Fender Jazz basses.
Regards
G

[KJung]

Originally Posted by icemangee

Hi all,
Whats the difference in sound quality between the Blue Soul & the Soul2?
I have a Soul2 & was wondering if the Blue Soul has the same sound qualities although it uses a digital amp.
BTW. I play only Fender Jazz basses.
Regards
G

Never did a direct A/B.

The Soul2 (I think) is different than the HeartRock II. I believe the Soul2 moved the original Soul's EQ to match the original Heartrock, whereas the Heartrock II was a more significant revision and revoicing.

Whew Assuming I have that right (i.e., that the Soul2 is similar to the original HeartRock), the Blue Soul has a MUCH more solid, big low end, and more midrange punch/complexity. Louder, lighter, more even...... no brainer if you have the cash

If the Soul2 is more similar to the HeartRock II, then the tonal differences will be less between the Blue Soul and the Soul2.

How's that for a complicated answer to a simple question

I dig the Blue Soul much more than my original HeartRock. Just as much slam, and more midrange articulation, with that same hi fi 'Glock unique' top end. Really slams hard!

[icemangee]

KJung,
Tnx for a hi tech answer...lol
I had a Soul1+ Space Deluxe, than I sold it & had...sit down a breath...Trace Elliot 1210 combo, SWR New redhead combo, AER Basic performer, Markbass F500 with 2XBergantino EX112ER..also had a Eden WT550+Eden cabs, GK before.
But I never found the quality of the Soul with the Space Deluxe (maybe the AER stuff getting close)
Finally now Soul2 & a Space Deluxe 1X12 & its a killer, I don't dare to sell it anymore for any thing else than a Glockenklang, there is something about the Glock that I've never found in any other amp, it's like playing on a very expensive studio console with a Genelec monitors...BTW the Space Deluxe can uses same brand speakers as the Genelecs (Volt).
I'd like to have the same sound as the Soul2 but in a lighter package.
Gal

[KJung]

Originally Posted by icemangee

KJung,
Tnx for a hi tech answer...lol
I had a Soul1+ Space Deluxe, than I sold it & had...sit down a breath...Trace Elliot 1210 combo, SWR New redhead combo, AER Basic performer, Markbass F500 with 2XBergantino EX112ER..
But I never found the quality of the Soul with the Space Deluxe (maybe the AER stuff getting close)
Finally now Soul2 & a Space Deluxe 1X12 & its a killer, I don't dare to sell it anymore for any thing else than a Glockenklang, there is something about the Glock that I've never found in any other amp, it's like playing on a very expensive studio console with a Genelec monitors...BTW the Space Deluxe can uses same brand speakers as the Genelecs (Volt).
I'd like to have the same sound as the Soul2 but in a lighter package.
Gal

I'm pretty sure you would be happy (very happy) with the Blue Soul. Same front end as the HeartRock II, and MASSIVE power compared to, for example, the Markbass F500 (which I like a lot in a different way).

I have the bag and the 'rack handles' (which make it easy to get out of the bag and protect the knobs a bit). Not much more trouble to carry around than a micro head.... a bit heavier (11 pounds), and a bit bigger, two full rack space, but relatively small width and depth-wise.

Totally impressed with it! It has that same 'super quality' feel as the heavy ones.... smooth knobs, heavy duty metal casing, etc.

[JeffplaysBass]

So Ken, you think the Ae212 to be best paired with the Blue Soul?

[KJung]

Originally Posted by JeffplaysBass

So Ken, you think the Ae212 to be best paired with the Blue Soul?

I REALLY like it, as long as you like a deep, pure, clean tone, with no upper midrange grind. It is a wonderfully pure rig, and is very capable of (as an oversimplified example) what I call the 'Anthony Jackson' tone. Very wide range (deep lows, crisp top end), very low distortion midrange, NO upper midrange lift or hump (absolutely NO 'grind' up top).

It is glorious as long as that is the tone signature you are looking for. It can be EQ'd to be VERY punchy down low, and very warm in the mid midrange, but that super clean, hi fi Glock treble response really always comes through, and is amplified/enhanced by a similar 'clean and pure and smooth' top end response of the AE212. Wonderful combination IMO for what most on TB call a 'modern' tone.

[tyjacks]

Originally Posted by KJung

I REALLY like it, as long as you like a deep, pure, clean tone, with no upper midrange grind. It is a wonderfully pure rig, and is very capable of (as an oversimplified example) what I call the 'Anthony Jackson' tone. Very wide range (deep lows, crisp top end), very low distortion midrange, NO upper midrange lift or hump (absolutely NO 'grind' up top).

It is glorious as long as that is the tone signature you are looking for. It can be EQ'd to be VERY punchy down low, and very warm in the mid midrange, but that super clean, hi fi Glock treble response really always comes through, and is amplified/enhanced by a similar 'clean and pure and smooth' top end response of the AE212. Wonderful combination IMO for what most on TB call a 'modern' tone.

How would the Blue Soul pair with a DNA DNS-112N or DNS-210? Im interested in this setup for small/med clubs, rehersal and home practice.

[KJung]

Originally Posted by tyjacks

How would the Blue Soul pair with a DNA DNS-112N or DNS-210? Im interested in this setup for small/med clubs, rehersal and home practice.

Only heard those cabs briefly at NAMM, so can't say. The Blue Soul has enough EQ to sound pretty darn good with anything. The only thing it won't do (IMO and IME) is 'grind' up top. There is no upper mid EQ band (i.e., that 1K sort of thing). The amp is very clean and smooth up there, so no need to dial out the 'gank' or brightness of some bass heads' voicings, but you can't dial it in.

Very even, smooth, uber clean up top, and big fat and warm down low, and it is an absolute HAMMER in open, non-compressed low end.

Hard to not like it unless you are a 70's J fanatic, and like that very aggressive upper mid grind sort of thing that the GK heads do, etc.