New Rig. I.E. Need Help

lburton2 · #1 08-07-2011, 07:24 PM

I'm becoming increasingly disappointed with my current rig.. And I need some help.

What I have:
Eden WT550, 410XLT (4ohm), 210XST (4 ohm)

Complaints: extreme weight (even the head). I mostly run both cabs because the 410 just isn't loud enough for a rock band (even stage volume)

The Eden turns heads and gets the sound men talking.. But I need something else I think.

I want something light, portable, with a lot of volume capability and a very clean and true sound, and preferably around the same price range as what I can sell my current rig for. Help pls?

scottfeldstein · #2 08-07-2011, 07:36 PM

I'm sure more experienced gear heads may have better ideas, but I'd sell your 20lb head, the 100 lb 4x10 and the 60lb 2x10 and replace it all with a micro head and some neodymium cabs of similar speakerage.

Try GK. Lots of people like the MB Fusion head. And you could try their line of Neo cabs. Even the 4x12 cab is 94 lbs. Me, I'm going with two of their Neo 2x12 cabs.

gjbassist · #3 08-07-2011, 07:45 PM

Ampeg PF-500 head and a couple of PF-115he or PF-210he cabinets.

**B-string** · #4 08-07-2011, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by scottfeldstein

I'm sure more experienced gear heads may have better ideas, but I'd sell your 20lb head, the 100 lb 4x10 and the 60lb 2x10 and replace it all with a micro head and some neodymium cabs of similar speakerage.

Try GK. Lots of people like the MB Fusion head. And you could try their line of Neo cabs. Even the 4x12 cab is 94 lbs. Me, I'm going with two of their Neo 2x12 cabs.

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lburton2 · #5 08-07-2011, 08:23 PM

I was actually considering the Ampeg stuff or TC Electronics.. I'm kind of struggling with the cab configuration I'd like.. I wish I could run 2 210s and add another 210 at any point to increase volume

scottfeldstein · #6 08-07-2011, 08:34 PM

Hm. If you find your 4x10 isn't loud enough I doubt you'll be satisfied out of a couple of 2x10s, no matter how they're stacked. I admit, I'm really intrigued by their super slim vertical 2x10s and 2x12s, though. And I guess maybe you can hear them better stacked vertically, but if you add a 3rd cab, you can't stack them that way anymore.

**cheezewiz** · #7 08-07-2011, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by lburton2

I was actually considering the Ampeg stuff or TC Electronics.. I'm kind of struggling with the cab configuration I'd like.. I wish I could run 2 210s and add another 210 at any point to increase volume

The TC heads can safely push 3 of their 210 cabs.

scottfeldstein · #8 08-07-2011, 10:09 PM

That's true, you can run 3 TC cabs with a TC head. But one wonders if the output would be satisfactory. You couldn't stack them vertically for better hearing. And I doubt whether they'd be as loud as his current cabs. Three separate (and small) 2x10s probably can't match his big 4x10 + 2x10 setup. At least I would worry that they can't.

IntrepidCellist · #9 08-07-2011, 10:12 PM

Running a trio of TC Electronic 2x12s would be my suggestion if you think six tens plus 750 watts isn't going to be loud enough; however, unless you're carrying outdoor stages with no PA support, you should be fine with that sort of power + speaker area. The problem is gonna be cost; expect to get $1200-1300 for that whole rig, and possibly less.

IntrepidCellist · #10 08-07-2011, 10:15 PM

One possibility would be a pair of Audiokinesis Thunderchild 112s or 115s with that WT550; you could sell your current cabs to cover one, and pick up a second one later. Two together equals one 6x10, displacement-wise, with better midrange coverage and easier to hear, and they're only 35 lbs each.

lburton2 · #11 08-07-2011, 10:19 PM

I'm pretty much through with the entire rig. I was thinking of doing the RH750 into the 212 cabs.. But I can't find any ohm ratings etc for the cab or head... ... And as far as vertical eta kit, I could always stack the 3 212s horizontally and it would be about the same height.

**cheezewiz** · #12 08-07-2011, 11:09 PM

The TC heads are super loud. I can't imagine you couldn't fill almost any room with one and 3 of the 210's or 212's. I would bet it would be as loud, if not louder than his Eden setup. As far as vertical stacking, I know it's the "in thing" to do at talkbass right now, but I wouldn't personally worry about it. Me, and about 2 million other bass players have been playing very successfully for a LOT of years without vertical stacking.

lburton2 · #13 08-08-2011, 08:08 AM

I can't seem to find any ohm ratings for the cabs or the heads... ?

scottfeldstein · #14 08-08-2011, 08:15 AM

The cabs are 8 Ohm.

http://www.tcelectronic.com/media/RS...anual_2_US.pdf

Their heads can drive one, two or THREE of their own cabs.

AwkwardLoudness · #15 08-08-2011, 08:53 AM

You can get cabs that are loud and light weight or cabs that are loud and cheap, but you cannot get loud, light, and cheap all in one cab.

For loud, light, and full range of frequencies, I'd choose a nidacore material fEarful 15/6/1 cab (or two). For 35 pounds or so, you likely couldn't get any louder or deeper.

BillFitzmaurice Jack 15 or a Barefaced cab would be worth looking at too.

There are plenty of micro heads that have ample power: Genz Benz Streamliner 900, Ampeg Micro VR, various MarkBass heads, GK MB500. For even more power, I like the Carvin B2000 which is 2000+ watts at 2Ω and less than 20 pounds.

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Originally Posted by cheezewiz

I know it's the "in thing" to do at talkbass right now, but I wouldn't personally worry about it. Me, and about 2 million other bass players have been playing very successfully for a LOT of years without vertical stacking.

The advantage of vertical stacking is that the sound distribution is more even horizontally, off axis. You wouldn't really notice much if any difference if the cab(s) is/are pointed at you. None of that may matter in your gigging situations especially if a PA is used.

scottfeldstein · #16 08-08-2011, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by AwkwardLoudness

You can get cabs that are loud and light weight or cabs that are loud and cheap, but you cannot get loud, light, and cheap all in one cab.

I'm really hoping that my new Neo 212-II will be a good compromise on all fronts. They have a reputation for being loud, they weigh 50 lbs and I ordered one for $500. Not the lightest, not the cheapest and perhaps not the loudest, but I'm hoping for sweet spot in the middle.

brenner182 · #17 08-08-2011, 10:41 AM

Also look into markbass. I was blown away that one of their 2x10 combos were able to keep up in a live situation with a 5 piece.

brenner182 · #18 08-08-2011, 10:43 AM

^well a 5 piece band. thats what i ment to say. lol

PSPookie · #19 08-08-2011, 10:46 AM

I have been very pleased with every piece of Genz-Benz gear I have tried to date. Two of these would probably get it done:

212T Uber:
600 W
42 - 18K Hz
102db
4 ohm
63 lbs (tilt back castors)
28" x 24 1/2" x 18 1/4"

scottfeldstein · #20 08-08-2011, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by PSPookie

I have been very pleased with every piece of Genz-Benz gear I have tried to date. Two of these would probably get it done:

212T Uber:
600 W
42 - 18K Hz
102db
4 ohm
63 lbs (tilt back castors)
28" x 24 1/2" x 18 1/4"

For a thousand bucks, they'd better!