new tc electronics 2x12 bc212

[PBFACTOR]

looked like an awesome cab until i saw the 250watt rating. seems kind of low for all the modern hi power cabs around. great size and weight, way low power handling.

http://www.tcelectronic.com/bc212-techspecs.asp

[drpepper]

Originally Posted by PBFACTOR

looked like an awesome cab until i saw the 250watt rating. seems kind of low for all the modern hi power cabs around. great size and weight, way low power handling.

http://www.tcelectronic.com/bc212-techspecs.asp

Seemingly, but how much power is really run to a cabinet in typical real-world terms? (i.e., in situations that call for a budget 212 or 2x 212 cabinets) I think it's probably appropriate to its class.

What head or head are you thinking in terms of? What do they push at 8 ohms? I assume this is an 8 ohm cabinet.

Again, in typical, real-world terms, I'd think a head that's rated at 300 watts into 8 ohms would probably be fine. Just because you have a head that's rated a 300 watts into 8 ohms, doesn't mean you're ever putting out 300 watts...

How many budget heads are there that are more than 300 watts at 8 ohms?

[leftymike]

Bump... anyone try the BC212 or BC210 cabs yet? Thoughts?

[Slaine01]

Bump on this too.
The 250 watts for the cab does seem a little low for a 2x12 but maybe theres an efficiency factor in here somewhere.

[kai_ski]

bump...

has anybody played one of these? I wasn't really impressed with the low-end of the RS series cabs, or the lack of a tweeter, but these "traditional" BC cabs might do the trick!

[rpsands]

I'd expect they are just rating conservatively (250w sine wave, 500w rms) or something like that. Email them and ask them.

250w is probably a realistic displacement figure if they're using decent woofers.

* If you look at the ratings on all their other cabs, they are very low relative to the competition. I strongly suspect they are giving the conservative thermal rating.

[RickenBoogie]

and besides, a cab's wattage rating means very little in real world use. almost nothing, in fact.

[throbgod13]

TC intends you to buy multiples of these cabs.. everything on the site is about stacking these cabs in different configurations..

not to mention, the BH500 head is designed specifically for these cabs.. two cabs = the maximum output of the head..

[rodl2005]

Do these cabs have an actual tweeter control on them?

I was tempted for one of their 2x12"s, but the horn in it-afaik-is only adjustable from the TC amp's ' tweeter-tone`control. Making it virtually useless with any other amp.
I could easily be completely wrong tho. :-/

[rodl2005]

Eh ?

[robzuki]

Originally Posted by rodl2005

Do these cabs have an actual tweeter control on them?

I was tempted for one of their 2x12"s, but the horn in it-afaik-is only adjustable from the TC amp's ' tweeter-tone`control. Making it virtually useless with any other amp.
I could easily be completely wrong tho. :-/

This concerns me, as i was looking into pairing 2 of these cabs with a carvin bx500 amp.

Can anyone shed more light on the situation?

[seamonkey]

The BH500 is a 250W "RMS" head
http://www.tcelectronic.com/media/tc...management.pdf
Skip the marketing spew and look at the table at the end.

This is probably plenty loud. Not "Perceived" loudness like their marketing spew, but actual loudness when you add a 2 or more stacked cabs.

There's not a whole lot of difference between 250w RMS and 500w RMS. The cones matter much more.

Unfortunately, TCE has not published any measurements and charts on these cabinets.

[Mr Antt]

Originally Posted by seamonkey

The BH500 is a 250W "RMS" head
http://www.tcelectronic.com/media/tc...management.pdf
Skip the marketing spew and look at the table at the end.

This is probably plenty loud. Not "Perceived" loudness like their marketing spew, but actual loudness when you add a 2 or more stacked cabs.

There's not a whole lot of difference between 250w RMS and 500w RMS. The cones matter much more.

Unfortunately, TCE has not published any measurements and charts on these cabinets.

The BH500 stacked on top of two Peavey's shakes my garage roof, and all the things hanging from the walls. I'd say it's plenty loud

[shewhorn]

Love their rating for the cab...

"250 Watts"

That's the equivalent of the following...

Speed limit 50

50 what? Knots, MPH, KPH, meters per second??? It means nothing without the impedance, the sensitivity, and the type of signal used (sine, pink noise, white noise), and the standard used (peak, RMS).

I'm not too familiar with TC's bass stuff (although I'm very intrigued by the RH750). Their reverbs are excellent. I do find it a bit disappointing that they feel they have to dumb things down so much. I wish the scientists and engineers who designed the gear were the ones who published the specs and marketing departments weren't allowed to get involved. Then we wouldn't have "tube watts" and "solid state watts" and other such silliness and we could make informed choices based upon science. Sigh. Ultimately it comes down to listening and comparing (ideally blindly as knowing what you're hearing brings psychology into the mix and that definitely affects perception... of course such opportunities are rare and often impractical).

Cheers, Joe

[shewhorn]

Originally Posted by rodl2005

Do these cabs have an actual tweeter control on them?

I was tempted for one of their 2x12"s, but the horn in it-afaik-is only adjustable from the TC amp's ' tweeter-tone`control. Making it virtually useless with any other amp.
I could easily be completely wrong tho. :-/

Tweeter tone uses physical modeling via DSP to emulate the physical behavior of what happens when you attenuate the output of a tweeter on a speaker enclosure. It doesn't actually have any control at all over the actual tweeter's output. The modification is made in the preamp, before the signal is sent to the amp, and thus before the signal is sent to the speakers. So, two completely different things.

What you would want to know is whether or not this cab has a tweeter attenuator. Looking at the specs and the photos, the answer is no so the balance between the woofer and the tweeter is going to be determined by however TC designed their passive crossover. This does not make it useless with other heads, you just need a means by which to attenuate high frequencies if you don't want them and this can either be done directly on your bass through a tone control or an EQ, or on your preamp (or your amp's preamp as most have some basic form of EQ).

Cheers, Joe

[Sumtingwong]

Uh-Oh.. Here we go again.

I've used the RH750 with an Aguilar 4x12, and I've run an svt4Pro through the same cab.

The SVT is going back, simply because for all its features and gobs of power, it doesn't make me grin when I play. The one or two clubs that I play that are sonic bass traps- (The main reason I got an SVT, BTW) - don't make the SVT a solid choice for me. I'm just going to use in-ears for those and suffer through the gig.

I loved the tonality of the RH, the Aggie cab loved the RH, and- it was loud. As loud as the Ampeg? No. There's the wattage dealio that says you have to have ten times the power to be twice as loud, which- If you compare the RH750 to the SVT- It is in fact, ten times more powerful, but twice as loud?
I doubt it. That's a subjective, personal opinion. Engineers and fanboys love to debate this ad-nauseum, but I'll take the RH any day of the week for its punch and tone shaping ability. The presets rule.

As far as the wattage ratings go? I've learned a lot over the past two months with regard to power and tone. I play some pretty big clubs, and there's only two that I'd see the TCE as underpowered, and that's because of second and third-order vibration. I thought I'd just crank it up and power over them with the SVT, but it just got ridiculous. TCE's signal processing that comes with all the RH heads is reeeeaaally good. Trust me.
It's not for everybody, but neither is the SVT. YMMV.

[cheezewiz]

Originally Posted by seamonkey

The BH500 is a 250W "RMS" head
http://www.tcelectronic.com/media/tc...management.pdf
Skip the marketing spew and look at the table at the end.

This is probably plenty loud. Not "Perceived" loudness like their marketing spew, but actual loudness when you add a 2 or more stacked cabs.

There's not a whole lot of difference between 250w RMS and 500w RMS. The cones matter much more.

Unfortunately, TCE has not published any measurements and charts on these cabinets.

I have a BH500 for a backup and it's an EXTREMELY loud head.

[redbandit599]

I've got a BH500, with BC 210 and BC 212 rig up for grabs. It's got power and volume in spades, drop me a mail if you want to know more.

The tweeter tone control works fine, and no there aren't any tweeter controls actually on the cabs.

IMHO, these cabs sound much better than the more expensive RS versions and the head doesn't look like a clock radio either...

[redbandit599]

Sorry, just twigged that you are in the US. Not much point touting for a sale!

[Stillarockin1]

Im using a BH500 with a BC212 cab. A great little set up for intimate shows but I also run RH750 with RS212, RS410 and RS210 for the larger gigs. Plenty of Kick Ass power