Official Aguilar Club - part 4

[uncle]

Originally Posted by GregC

As a former DB410 owner, I would disagree with that characterization. To me, those cabs are more forward in the lower mids and mid-mids.

Like I said, I never played them but I've been reading the forums for the last days and many times I read that the DB's are more focused in the mids than the GS'.
The closest where I can buy or try a Bergantino is more than 700km from my place...

[PauBass]

Originally Posted by GregC

As a former DB410 owner, I would disagree with that characterization. To me, those cabs are more forward in the lower mids and mid-mids.

Personally, I think one Berg NV610 (which is what I own now) would meet your tonal needs quite nicely--very punchy midrange, tight low end. I've never tried a 751/750 through it, but there is a TON of testimony on this board that it's a fabulous combination. Should get that old-school, Stu Cook sound for sure with a P bass and flats.

Since you have owned an Aguilar DB410 and now own a Bergantino NV610, how would you compare their tone and power/volume?

[GregC]

Originally Posted by PauBass

Since you have owned an Aguilar DB410 and now own a Bergantino NV610, how would you compare their tone and power/volume?

I thought this question sounded familiar: Aguilar DB212 & Bergantino NV412

To expand, the NV610 seems to be louder (as it should be). Main reason I switched was ergonomics--the NV610 is a little heavier, but it's 50% taller, making it a lot easier to move for a tall guy like me.

[uncle]

My local Dealer is suggesting the Aguilar DB 412. He says it is the most fantastic cab for my needs....

I think I have to make a trip to Pauls Bass Matters in the Netherlands to give some of those cabs a try

[EricF]

Originally Posted by GregC

As a former DB410 owner, I would disagree with that characterization. To me, those cabs are more forward in the lower mids and mid-mids.

This is exactly my experience. ^

[hennessybass]

Originally Posted by PauBass

Since you have owned an Aguilar DB410 and now own a Bergantino NV610, how would you compare their tone and power/volume?

Not quite the same thing, but I have owned a Berg NV412 and an Aggie DB212 (not at the same time), and can offer some thoughts.

As far as power / volume, I don't think either cab will leave you wanting. For me, the DB212 is a perfect not-too-big / not-too-small type cab. Nice medium size, and it's a loud (efficient) cab.

I think they are both fantastic cabs. My overall impression is that the NV412 is louder (makes sense - 2x as many speakers), much darker sounding, and the notes are a little more hefty sounding than the DB212. The NV is authoritative.

I think because of the sealed nature of the NV cab, there is a natural roll off of the lows, and highs at some point... kind of creates a middle place where everything lives. Makes for a very punchy, tight, focused sound... but not lacking in low end by any means. Just a more tight low end. Again, I thought the notes carry an incredible heft with the NV cab.

The DB cab is much brighter and more alive sounding. It has a big low end, but not as tight or controlled as the NV cab. I play my DB with the tweet off, and still think it has great upper mid and high end. Nice to have, and I can roll the tone back on my passive basses 1/4 or so for a little more of that NV sound. More of a wide open sounding cab.

I thought the NV412 was pretty dark sounding, and I have heard that the NV610 is not so dark as the 412, FWIW.

As far as transport, I didn't particular like the tilt back NV style casters. Lot's of folks like them, but I much prefer the 4 swivel casters style on the DB cabs. The tilt back is great until you have to have to go around a corner, through a tight doorway, or navigate a maze of tables and chairs when loading into a club. Much easier with a 4 caster rig, IMO. The casters that come on the DB cabs a a little under built for how heavy the cabs are.

Fit and finish on both cabs is top notch. You can't go wrong either way.

[pauliebass]

Aguilar - Official 'Tone Hammer 500' 3.8lbs 500w Thread #2

Go here and check out the graphs Eublet did of the TH500. Awesome stuff.

[PauBass]

Originally Posted by GregC

I thought this question sounded familiar: Aguilar DB212 & Bergantino NV412

To expand, the NV610 seems to be louder (as it should be). Main reason I switched was ergonomics--the NV610 is a little heavier, but it's 50% taller, making it a lot easier to move for a tall guy like me.

I didn't realized it was you...well, thanks again!

Originally Posted by hennessybass

Not quite the same thing, but I have owned a Berg NV412 and an Aggie DB212 (not at the same time), and can offer some thoughts.

As far as power / volume, I don't think either cab will leave you wanting. For me, the DB212 is a perfect not-too-big / not-too-small type cab. Nice medium size, and it's a loud (efficient) cab.

I think they are both fantastic cabs. My overall impression is that the NV412 is louder (makes sense - 2x as many speakers), much darker sounding, and the notes are a little more hefty sounding than the DB212. The NV is authoritative.

I think because of the sealed nature of the NV cab, there is a natural roll off of the lows, and highs at some point... kind of creates a middle place where everything lives. Makes for a very punchy, tight, focused sound... but not lacking in low end by any means. Just a more tight low end. Again, I thought the notes carry an incredible heft with the NV cab.

The DB cab is much brighter and more alive sounding. It has a big low end, but not as tight or controlled as the NV cab. I play my DB with the tweet off, and still think it has great upper mid and high end. Nice to have, and I can roll the tone back on my passive basses 1/4 or so for a little more of that NV sound. More of a wide open sounding cab.

I thought the NV412 was pretty dark sounding, and I have heard that the NV610 is not so dark as the 412, FWIW.

As far as transport, I didn't particular like the tilt back NV style casters. Lot's of folks like them, but I much prefer the 4 swivel casters style on the DB cabs. The tilt back is great until you have to have to go around a corner, through a tight doorway, or navigate a maze of tables and chairs when loading into a club. Much easier with a 4 caster rig, IMO. The casters that come on the DB cabs a a little under built for how heavy the cabs are.

Fit and finish on both cabs is top notch. You can't go wrong either way.

Great description of both cabs, very helpful info...Thanks!

At the moment I own a NV412, as much as I like it, I think 10"s suit my sound better and I'm looking at Bergantino NV610 or a DB rig.
I would love a DB rig but their cabs are heavy, the NV610 weights 100 lbs whilst a DB410 is already 98!

[jasonbraatz]

I think as far as Aguilar's large cabs go the GS412 is still the cream of the crop. It's only 116 lbs and very easy to schlep, and it's a little more even sounding than the GS212 or a pair of GS112's.

[Lublin]

I'm officially in as of today.

Still waiting on two DB 112 NT's to show. One gets here on Monday, the other is backordered.

[Primakurtz]

Just scored a DB810. Sounds amazing with my DB750. No number required... I just felt like bragging!

[BassAgent]

Serving me well as always...

[dsanders]

My rock band has been playing support for quite a few national touring acts as they come through town recently. I've been amazed at how few of the bass rigs have great tone.

Last night we setup in front of a band to remain nameless. I put (1) DB410 & my DB750 in front of a 20 space rack full of all kinds of junk and a pair of 412s used by the acts bassist. Seriously guy had 3 heads in the rack and a pair of U5s which I love btw, and my tone KILLED his. In fact it was down right embarrassing.

When will some people realize you don't need all that crap. Simple signal chain, quality gear, and good technique = great tone. I went bass > tuner > TLC > amp > DI out and everyone noticed. The DB410 was also more than I needed.

Anyway thanks Dave yet again for making me look like a genius for keeping it simple. Aguilar for life.

[pshep68]

I'm just curious about the Aguilar DB 751. I've been playing Ampeg since I started playing bass (with a brief stint playing the Eden WT550 & Eden WT800 ... & I mean brief). What is the Aguilar DB 751 (or DB 750 for that matter) like sound/tone wise? I know it has 3 123AX7s in the preamp.

[bradriot]

Rocken the Blue light on a dark stage! My DB 412 and AG 500 sc. I love the range of power on the mid loving DB Series. next I'm going to have to pair it with the DB 810 and DB 751. Wish I had better pics to show. maybe soon.

[rust_preacher]

Originally Posted by bradriot

Rocken the Blue light on a dark stage! My DB 412 and AG 500 sc. I love the range of power on the mid loving DB Series. next I'm going to have to pair it with the DB 810 and DB 751. Wish I had better pics to show. maybe soon.

Cool! How did the mic take it?

[bassboysam]

I don't see the DB412 and DB810 listed on Aguilar's site anymore. are they discontinued?

[Arabesque-bass]

Hmmm I still see them:

http://www.aguilaramp.com/cabinets.htm

[bassboysam]

Originally Posted by Arabesque-bass

Hmmm I still see them:

http://www.aguilaramp.com/cabinets.htm

yeah, looks like it's something in my browser that's causing them not to display...

[MingusBass]

I have a Bergantino NV610...great cab, but I can't help it, I want a DB810 or DB412 to go with my DB751. I already own two DB112 cabs in White Hot, fantastic sound. I can only imagine how great a DB412/810 would sound.