Is one Orange SP410 enough to handle the Orange AD200b?

CormacBass · #1 02-02-2012, 01:41 AM

I'm saving up for a new amp at the moment and I was wondering if anyone has tried out this setup?
The sp410 seems to have plenty of headroom to handle the ad200b. I think this setup would be a great compact all tube package. I've looked around for some photos and videos of people using this set up and havent had much luck.

I also have a question about the weight. The sp410 is quoted at 29kg, the ad200b at 25kg. I've talked to a flight case builder who'll build me a custom case weighing roughly 11kg so thats a combined total of 65kg, seems a bit heavy. Should i get two separate flight cases?

Thank you.

JimmyM · #2 02-02-2012, 01:55 AM

Definitely get separate cases.

Fuzzbassian · #3 02-02-2012, 02:02 AM

Although the only experience with orange gear I've had was a 1x15 cabinet,that'd make a great rig!
I would definitely get separate flight cases.In one big flight case it,would just be to big and awkward.Two smaller ones would be the way to go.That said,unless you plan on doing lots of heavy touring,you probably don't really need a flight case for the cabinet.It might take a few bumps and scratches,but they're pretty hard things to hurt.

CormacBass · #4 02-02-2012, 02:14 AM

Ya i think two cases is the way to go so, if i get the cab case to have wheels and the amp case to somehow mount on top for when I'm rolling them into a gig that would be perfect.

I know what you're saying about not needing a case for the cab but I'd like to have it on wheels and looking well.

Fuzzbassian · #5 02-02-2012, 03:01 AM

as I always say with gear,if you can justify the need,then you justify the cash.
Wheels are a life saver.Whoever invented the wheel should get all the money in the world.Make sure you can either lock them in place,or it's not too much hassle to tilt it on its side.

JimmyM · #6 02-02-2012, 03:15 AM

I'm pretty sure that the patents on the wheel have run out. I'm going to change it slightly, though, and resubmit it as a new invention. OK, so it's a little unlikely, but what if it works? Then you won't be laughing at me.

So would anyone like to give me $5000 so I can have patent drawings done?

CormacBass · #7 02-02-2012, 03:18 AM

Does anyone have any experience with this setup?

Fuzzbassian · #8 02-02-2012, 04:25 AM

Reckon that might to the job ^
TS,I know a guy who raves about his ISO 2x10.They seem pretty cool.I believe the bassist from the sword uses an AD200b,check him out.

Musicman20 · #9 02-02-2012, 04:26 AM

I have the OBC 4x10 with the same amp, and it handles it effortlessly. I don't barely need to nudge the master up that much anyway, but the OBC410 is a nice (but heavy) 4x10.

I'm guessing the SP will handle it no problems! The OBC410 will sound bigger though.

CormacBass · #10 02-02-2012, 06:59 AM

Thank you for the replies, glad to see its all positive.
I'm definitely going for the separate cases now, it makes sense to have the head in a different case so i can use it with other cabs.
Im still leaning more towards the SP410 than the OBC410 at the moment. My plan is to have the SP410 for small to medium gigs and the OBC810 for larger gigs.

Musicman20 · #11 02-02-2012, 07:51 AM

The 8x10 will absolutely kill!

Have you thought about two SP212 or two SP210s for the small rig?

They won't need flightcasing as they are so small and light. Just get padded covers.

lomo · #12 02-02-2012, 07:51 AM

The OBC 410 has a far higher true capacity than the compact SP version, which simply puts out the volume of a 210 in a smaller package (do a search, the isobaric concept has been explained on TB by engineers several times and is not a new development by Orange at all). It will be nowhere near as loud as the OBC 410, nowhere at all, and probably cannot handle the full 200 watts without some compression.

CormacBass · #13 02-02-2012, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Musicman20

Have you thought about two SP212 or two SP210s for the small rig?
Just get padded covers.

That's something I'll seriously consider.

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Originally Posted by lomo

The OBC 410 has a far higher true capacity than the compact SP version, which simply puts out the volume of a 210 in a smaller package (do a search, the isobaric concept has been explained on TB by engineers several times and is not a new development by Orange at all). It will be nowhere near as loud as the OBC 410, nowhere at all, and probably cannot handle the full 200 watts without some compression.

I'm a bit concerned about that alright, with the OBC410 weighting in only 14kg heavier and considering the fact that im going to be buying separate flight cases now this is looking like the smarter option.

Still though with the sp410 rated at 1200 watts RMS, I can't see how that wouldn't be able to handle the 200 watts of the ad200b.

tombowlus · #14 02-02-2012, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by lomo

The OBC 410 has a far higher true capacity than the compact SP version, which simply puts out the volume of a 210 in a smaller package (do a search, the isobaric concept has been explained on TB by engineers several times and is not a new development by Orange at all). It will be nowhere near as loud as the OBC 410, nowhere at all, and probably cannot handle the full 200 watts without some compression.

Although the isobaric SP cabs put out roughly the same level of output that a conventional design with half the number of drivers, one advantage of the isobaric loading (in addition to the deeper tuning) is power handling. IME/IMHO, I could slam the SP210 and SP212 stack with my AD200, and they took it all in stride. In fact, they sounded great! I just wish that AD200 would stack better on top of those two little cabs...

But IME/IMHO, the SP410 sounds great with the AD200, and it can take the power, no problem. Of course, the tone is very different from the OBC 410, and yes, it does have a kind of natural compression going on, but not in a bad way. I'm thinking of maybe picking up two SP410's to use with my AD200.

lomo · #15 02-02-2012, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by tombowlus

Although the isobaric SP cabs put out roughly the same level of output that a conventional design with half the number of drivers,:

I get this, but I still can't see spending that much cash on a
"410" that puts out similar volume to a 210, unless I had serious space contraints. YMMV

I guess the box is a lot cheaper in the UK

Musicman20 · #16 02-02-2012, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by tombowlus

I'm thinking of maybe picking up two SP410's to use with my AD200.

Woah! That would be great!

I still love my Orange stack 2-3 years after I bought it.

CormacBass · #17 02-02-2012, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by tombowlus

Although the isobaric SP cabs put out roughly the same level of output that a conventional design with half the number of drivers, one advantage of the isobaric loading (in addition to the deeper tuning) is power handling. IME/IMHO, I could slam the SP210 and SP212 stack with my AD200, and they took it all in stride. In fact, they sounded great! I just wish that AD200 would stack better on top of those two little cabs...

But IME/IMHO, the SP410 sounds great with the AD200, and it can take the power, no problem. Of course, the tone is very different from the OBC 410, and yes, it does have a kind of natural compression going on, but not in a bad way. I'm thinking of maybe picking up two SP410's to use with my AD200.

I read Issue 7 of your magazine, fantastic. I'm definitely subscribing.

tombowlus · #18 02-02-2012, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by CormacBass

I read Issue 7 of your magazine, fantastic. I'm definitely subscribing.

Why, thanks!

CormacBass · #19 02-04-2012, 06:40 AM

Im probably going to get the OBC410 now, it's a lot cheaper than the sp410 and if its louder too that just seems like the smarter option.

Bassmonkey16046 · #20 02-04-2012, 07:12 AM

I was told they are no longer going to make the sp410. Only the 210 and 212 variant. FYI