Opinions between, Bergantino, Accugroove and Epifani

otto B · #1 11-19-2011, 01:19 PM

I am interested in finding opinions between Bergantino, Accugroove and Epifani and Schroeder.
I am thinking if it is worth change my Bergantino AE212.
The speaker size don't mattle.
Looking for the deep punch clear sound cab.

cableguy · #2 11-19-2011, 01:24 PM

I've only played through the bergs. Sounds like what you described your looking for. You might want to make it up to BassNW in Seattle. They have some Bergs you could try out I'm sure. Other than that I play a fEARful that covers that sound as well, you might look into one of those. Especially if you're handy with tools.

RickenBoogie · #3 11-19-2011, 01:37 PM

Are you happy with the AE212? If so, why look for a change?

tombowlus · #4 11-19-2011, 01:38 PM

I own cabs from all three of those companies, and IME/IMHO, it's Bergantino all the way, especially in light of the current state of affairs for Accugroove and Epifani.

otto B · #5 11-19-2011, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by cableguy

I've only played through the bergs. Sounds like what you described your looking for. You might want to make it up to BassNW in Seattle. They have some Bergs you could try out I'm sure. Other than that I play a fEARful that covers that sound as well, you might look into one of those. Especially if you're handy with tools.

I like the AE212 but, I when to Bass Northwest to try the Berg HD212 and the sound was just perfect. The 3 big differences between both the AE212 & HD212 is the weight, the air port is now in the front and the sound is much fuller. I do sometime wonder if I got the right amp. I have the Genz Benz Shuttle 9.2 I keep hearing is a perfect match but at the same time I had read that Genz Benz gives a smooth sound rather that punchy witch I like

otto B · #6 11-19-2011, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by RickenBoogie

Are you happy with the AE212? If so, why look for a change?

I am not fully happy, I would supper happy if I can get the AE212 to be more punchy

tombowlus · #7 11-19-2011, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by otto B

I am not fully happy, I like the cab to have a little bit more fuller sound

HD212 would be the ticket, then, IME.

::::BASSIST:::: · #8 11-19-2011, 01:58 PM

Its probably your amp. Cheapest solution is to add a pedal. IME the VT Bass does wonders to add full, fat, tubey awesomeness.

DLM · #9 11-19-2011, 02:07 PM

Have you tried dialing in some punch around 150-300hz?

otto B · #10 11-19-2011, 02:12 PM

no yet. I'm still trying to figure all this knobs on the 9.2

::::BASSIST:::: · #11 11-19-2011, 02:42 PM

The Berg 212ae is very well regarded.

If I were you I'd spend more time with your amp knobs. That said, from my experience, the GB Shuttle amps would not be my first choice if I were looking for a deep, full, fat tone.

SlingBass4 · #12 11-19-2011, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by ::::BASSIST::::

Its probably your amp. Cheapest solution is to add a pedal. IME the VT Bass does wonders to add full, fat, tubey awesomeness.

GOOD advice! IF it's punch you wish - that's one solution. I play an Epifani UL-502 w/2 T-112 cabs (which I love), but have great regard for the Berg line-up. Your due diligence on working through and/or exploring all aspects of your present gear would prove wise and cost effective. THEN if you feel you need a pedal...the above would probably be a prudent choice

tombowlus · #13 11-19-2011, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by otto B

no yet. I'm still trying to figure all this knobs on the 9.2

I do find that the ShuttleMAX pre benefits from some twiddling with the midrange knobs, specifically the low mids.

But I agree with :::BASSIST:::, above, that your head might not be the ideal combo for the tone you are after.

otto B · #14 11-19-2011, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by tombowlus

I do find that the ShuttleMAX pre benefits from some twiddling with the midrange knobs, specifically the low mids.

But I agree with :::BASSIST:::, above, that your head might not be the ideal combo for the tone you are after.

What amp would you recomend, that can have both, deep or punchy bass sound and still maintain clear sound

tombowlus · #15 11-19-2011, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by otto B

What amp would you recomend, that can have both, deep or punchy bass sound and still maintain clear sound

There are a number of options. If you don't mind the full rack size class, I'd check out the Mesa/Boogie M6/9. If you want to go a little smaller/lighter, the Ampeg SVT-7Pro is pretty amazing at both old school and more modern tones. If you want to go a whole lot smaller/lighter, the GK MB series (MB500, MB Fusion, MB800) are quite impressive as far as both deep/full bass and clarity are concerned. The Markbass F500 is another great option.

Those are just a few suggestions, and a very non-exclusive list.

::::BASSIST:::: · #16 11-19-2011, 04:25 PM

If you want to stay in the GB family the Streamliner might do it for you. Others have been exceedingly happy with their Mesa walkabout, M6, M9 etc for fantastic tubeyness. However, thats kinda second-hand knowledge on my part as I havent owned a Mesa amp, just tried a few in-store.

Edit: What Tom B. said.

Though I am not sure I'd put the F500 in that category.

tombowlus · #17 11-19-2011, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by ::::BASSIST::::

I am not sure I'd put the F500 in that category.

It doesn't hit quite as hard as some of the others, but it's quite solid and a good match for the AE212, IME/IMHO.

Crabby · #18 11-19-2011, 07:27 PM

I owned a Schroeder 212 and an Accugroove 115 but was not satisfied with either despite them both being pretty highly regarded cabs. Th Schroeder was just too boxy and aggressive with no real low end. The Accugroove was smooth and well balanced but not very efficient. it just wasn't very loud and required a lot of power to make it wake up.

I have never played a Berg but based on what I hear about them, it doesn't get much better.

MarTONEbass · #19 11-19-2011, 10:06 PM

Otto, I run this exact setup but I'm moving to a AE112 x2 setup. The AE212 is pretty big in the low end. I have the bass flat or boosted only slightly to 1 o'clock. Try boosting the low mids, I set the frequency at about 7 or 8 o'clock and the low mid knob around 2 o'clock. I have my attenuator around 2 o'clock. FWIW, I use an active J bass.

From your description it sounds lie you might like the HT112ER setup which is a bit more hi-fi sounding.

::::BASSIST:::: · #20 11-19-2011, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Crabby

I owned a Schroeder 212 and an Accugroove 115 but was not satisfied with either despite them both being pretty highly regarded cabs. Th Schroeder was just too boxy and aggressive with no real low end. The Accugroove was smooth and well balanced but not very efficient. it just wasn't very loud and required a lot of power to make it wake up.

I have never played a Berg but based on what I hear about them, it doesn't get much better.

Gave up on the 1212BMF, eh? I hear you... didn't ring my bell after awhile either. Sure was portable and loud though.