OPINIONS PLEASE

moeroncuban · #1 05-23-2013, 06:08 PM

I have an opportunity to pick up a MESA 212 NEO Powerhouse or an Avatar 410 NEO... Any suggestions, pros, cons of the two...

Thanks!

Emprov · #2 05-23-2013, 06:17 PM

Is this an online thing or do you have an opportunity to play through them? One's not likely to be better than the other, they'll just be different.

Inconnu · #3 05-23-2013, 06:23 PM

I prefer a bunch of 10s over a few 12s, but that's a personal thing. More surface, more air moving, yet a punchier tighter sound provided by 10s... Hell I like 10s so much, I got 8 of them myself

moeroncuban · #4 05-23-2013, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Inconnu

I prefer a bunch of 10s over a few 12s, but that's a personal thing. More surface, more air moving, yet a punchier tighter sound provided by 10s... Hell I like 10s so much, I got 8 of them myself

Classic answer!..... I have to say I have thought the same thing (about 4 more 10's).... : )

bassgod0dmw · #5 05-23-2013, 07:04 PM

I'd much rather take the Mesa personally, but I like Mesa and 12's.

spz8 · #6 05-23-2013, 07:17 PM

2x12 FTW!

Soonerbldr · #7 05-23-2013, 07:19 PM

Mesa just because my best friend is a Mesa Ho.... He uses Mesa as his main Guitar Rig and it is Legendary.

CrUiSeR · #8 05-23-2013, 08:06 PM

no brainer

moeroncuban · #9 05-23-2013, 08:14 PM

Thanks so far everyone! Really appreciate the input and opinions.... : )

DigitalMan · #10 05-23-2013, 08:27 PM

Very happy with the Mesa 2x12 here. Very well made. Sounds great. Able to boost or rolloff the top end and change the crossover frequency.

LiquidMidnight · #11 05-23-2013, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Emprov

One's not likely to be better than the other, they'll just be different.

I have to respectfully disagree. If we were comparing an Eden 410XLT to an Aguilar GS410 or something similar, I'd say that would be a sideways comparison. However, I've always considered Avatar a "mid-tier" cabinet company and Mesa as top-shelf. The construction alone on the Mesa is going to be infinitely superior to the Avatar...unless Avatar has stepped up its game since I owned my 410 Neo seven or so years ago.

With that said, the OP may still prefer the sound of the Avatar.

MysticMichael · #12 05-23-2013, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by moeroncuban

I have an opportunity to pick up a MESA 212 NEO Powerhouse or an Avatar 410 NEO... Any suggestions, pros, cons of the two...

I personally would opt for the Mesa Powerhouse 2x12 - without hesitation. That said, these kinds of decisions are best not made in a vacuum. You haven't provided any context, i.e. make & model of amp, tonal requirements, performance needs, etc. etc. So it's almost possible to gauge for sure which would work better - for you.

MM

moeroncuban · #13 05-23-2013, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by MysticMichael

I personally would opt for the Mesa Powerhouse 2x12 - without hesitation. That said, these kinds of decisions are best not made in a vacuum. You haven't provided any context, i.e. make & model of amp, tonal requirements, performance needs, etc. etc. So it's almost possible to gauge for sure which would work better - for you.

MM

So true! My bad certainly...

I am going to be using a Genz Benz Shuttlemax 6.0.
The MESA in consideration is a 4 ohm cab rated at 600 watts while the Avatar is an 8 ohm cab rated at 1000.
If I go the MESA route there is no room for adding another cab bc of the 4ohm finality, which quite honestly with 600 watts that is plenty for my application.

However, having the flexibility to add yet another 8ohm cab is a pretty enticing thought...

Just trying to make the most educated decision that's all...

Thanks everyone!

two fingers · #14 05-23-2013, 09:27 PM

I had carrots and green beans for dinner but I don't think they would sound good at all with the Shuttle. Especially of the green beans are the 8 ohm ones.

Seriously, play them both and go with your ears. For me it would probably be the 4-10 but that's only a guess based on past experiences.

Emprov · #15 05-23-2013, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by LiquidMidnight

I have to respectfully disagree. If we were comparing an Eden 410XLT to an Aguilar GS410 or something similar, I'd say that would be a sideways comparison. However, I've always considered Avatar a "mid-tier" cabinet company and Mesa as top-shelf. The construction alone on the Mesa is going to be infinitely superior to the Avatar...unless Avatar has stepped up its game since I owned my 410 Neo seven or so years ago.

Build quality, the Mesa has it in spades over Avatar, there's absolutely no question about that. I was referring more to the speaker config than anything else. I've owned Avatars and they're great for the money (at the price point that I bought them at least) but I'd never say that they were great.

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With that said, the OP may still prefer the sound of the Avatar.

And that's pretty much all that matters.

dukeorock · #16 05-23-2013, 11:48 PM

I'd probably choose the Mesa...the bad news is whichever you get, you'll be wanting a new amp shortly thereafter

MysticMichael · #17 05-23-2013, 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by dukeorock

I'd probably choose the Mesa...the bad news is whichever you get, you'll be wanted a new amp shortly thereafter

Ain't dat da troot! I'd pair up my Mesa M-Pulse 600 to that baby - and never look back!

MM

iualum · #18 05-24-2013, 04:12 AM

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Originally Posted by dukeorock

I'd probably choose the Mesa...the bad news is whichever you get, you'll be wanting a new amp shortly thereafter

GAS begets GAS begets…

georgestrings · #19 05-24-2013, 06:08 AM

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Originally Posted by MysticMichael

Ain't dat da troot! I'd pair up my Mesa M-Pulse 600 to that baby - and never look back!

MM

Streamliner would work well with that PH212, also...

- georgestrings

NOLA Bass · #20 05-24-2013, 07:16 AM

I'm not knocking the Avatar, but I think a Mesa cab is far superior based on my personal experiences (not to mention resale value if you ever flip it).