Optimum connection for these two 410's?

kawika5150 · #1 03-15-2011, 03:37 PM

Ok, coming down to the nitty gritty...

SVT 4 PRO head and using Epi PS410 (4 ohm) and test driving an Ampeg 410HLF 8 ohm. Knowing that the Ampeg would sound a little softer due to the difference in impedance, what would be the ideal connections to the head to utilize its power and get the most power? Is there another way rather than use Amp A output to Epifani and Amp B output to the Ampeg?

Yes, I want to run both 410's at once.

Mahalo peeps!

Selta · #2 03-15-2011, 03:39 PM

If you're just testing out the 401HLF, why not just plug only it in and see if you like it? I don't think I'd run those two cabs together (IIRC, the 4PRO doesn't let you balance output on each channel, does it?)

kawika5150 · #3 03-15-2011, 03:46 PM

There's also an Eden D210T that I was looking at. If that's a 4 ohm cab, I may go with that one. Just looking at what my options are at the moment.

Appreciate the feedback Ray!

kawika5150 · #4 03-15-2011, 04:33 PM

Just talked with someone locally that has a barely used GB NEOX-210T rated at 4 ohms. Asking price is $619. It sounds like a good deal.

GrowlerBox · #5 03-15-2011, 05:39 PM

If you're going to pair a 210 with a 4-ohm 410, you're better off with an 8-ohm 210 to ensure that each speaker receives the same power output from the amp. Where this is mismatched (as in your first example), you risk damaging the speakers in the lower-impedance in your efforts to increase the output from the higher-impedance. The options you have listed will work, but they are not ideal.

Also, despite the fact that you are looking at all 10" drivers, because they will not be identical, and the cabinets will be tuned differently, you still run the risk of phasing problems. This is a risk, not a certainty, of course, but worth bearing in mind.

BigOldHarry · #6 03-15-2011, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by kawika5150

Ok, coming down to the nitty gritty...

SVT 4 PRO head and using Epi PS410 (4 ohm) and test driving an Ampeg 410HLF 8 ohm. Knowing that the Ampeg would sound a little softer due to the difference in impedance, what would be the ideal connections to the head to utilize its power and get the most power? Is there another way rather than use Amp A output to Epifani and Amp B output to the Ampeg?

Yes, I want to run both 410's at once.

Mahalo peeps!

That amp's spec sheet says it will do 2 ohms, so you're safe...

Just hook 'em up. the 4 ohm cab will be a bit louder. I wouldn't run this configuration long-term - - it just won't sound that good... But the Epi cab will sound great by itself.

kawika5150 · #7 03-15-2011, 05:47 PM

I understand the Eden D210T has been discontinued. Anyone own this model?

ButtUglyJeff · #8 03-15-2011, 06:02 PM

I thought the SVT 410HLF was 4 ohms?

The 410HE is 8 ohms...

Sartori · #9 03-15-2011, 06:56 PM

The 410HLF is 4 ohms. ButtUglyJeff is correct.

kawika5150 · #10 03-15-2011, 07:26 PM

Hmm, that's what the owner of one of the shops here told me about the 410HLF. He said it was 8 ohms. So this particular model does NOT come in 8 ohms at all?

Sartori · #11 03-15-2011, 07:40 PM

The HE does. The SVT-410HLF does not come in 8 ohms. It's a 4 ohm cab.

kawika5150 · #12 03-15-2011, 07:54 PM

Got it. I'll go check it out today. He either misspoke about the impedance or he had the wrong model number. If it's the HLF, I may just get it and ease my mind that I now have two 4 ohm 410's (despite different brands) to suit my musical needs (hard rock/RUSH stuff).

Thanks everyone. i knew i came to the right place.

Aloha!

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Originally Posted by Sartori

The HE does. The SVT-410HLF does not come in 8 ohms. It's a 4 ohm cab.

kawika5150 · #13 03-17-2011, 01:57 AM

He misread the impedance. It's the 4 ohm like everyone says. We'll see how both cabs sound together.

Sartori · #14 03-17-2011, 04:16 AM

Cool. 2 ohm load even then.

Please do let us know how they sound.

kawika5150 · #15 03-17-2011, 07:09 PM

I now have the opportunity to purchase a brand new GB NEOX 210T for $349 (4 ohms). Cab rated to handle 450W @ 4 ohms.

410 HLF or GB...

Which should I go with....hmm? Decisions, decisions...

BigOldHarry · #16 03-17-2011, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by kawika5150

He misread the impedance. It's the 4 ohm like everyone says. We'll see how both cabs sound together.

Okay, so they have the same load; That doesn't mean they will sound good together (or bad, for that matter). Fire the rig up and see what you see.

Just so you're clear on this - two 4ohm cabs = 2ohms of loading - meaning that you've maxed out that amp. Add another cab and you will summon the Djinn of the Amp...

kawika5150 · #17 03-17-2011, 07:37 PM

I don't plan on adding more cabs. I'm fine with two, and it'll either be the 410 or a 210. Leaning more towards the 210.

GrowlerBox · #18 03-17-2011, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by kawika5150

I don't plan on adding more cabs. I'm fine with two, and it'll either be the 410 or a 210. Leaning more towards the 210.

I'd reiterate what I posted above -- an 8 ohm 210 will be better. Ignore the rating on the cabinet, it tells you nothing about how it will perform, just when it will melt.