Peavey 410TX reconfiguration?

Praxist · #1 06-13-2010, 12:08 PM

If this topic has been asked and answered, my apologies. I've searched a lot on this here and I'm sure I saw the answer mentioned in a thread ages ago, but I can't remember how to find it again.

I have a free Peavey 410TX that works perfectly. It doesn't fit into my car though and I want to rebuild it so it does. I want to go from this:

To this:

The small octagons represent the tweeter. I will keep the same internal volume, just reconfigure the entire thing so it can fit into my backseat and also so it stacks nicely onto my other cabinet (1x15).

The construction and assembly aren't a problem, what I'm wondering about is whether or not this new configuration would have a substantially negative impact on the performance of the cabinet. If it will have a major negative impact, I will arrange for a truck and move it to the studio permanently. It would just be nice to move it around from time to time.

Thanks for your input!

hrgiger · #2 06-13-2010, 01:48 PM

I want to know too!

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ThunderousFunk · #3 06-13-2010, 01:59 PM

Would you not want the tweeter in the upper left corner, next to the top 10"? But def cool deal. Subscribed!!!

Praxist · #4 06-13-2010, 02:03 PM

Hmm, good point on the tweeter. Maybe it would be better. To be honest I usually dial the tweeters back or off most of the time anyway. Not sure I'd want that noise right at ear level.

I may just do it anyway, I have the parts and materials here already and my suspicion is that it would be better to have more speakers up high. I know that many folks consider the 410 cube to be a crummy design, I just want to make sure I'm not crummying it up any more!

ThunderousFunk · #5 06-13-2010, 02:17 PM

I agree with you too about the tweeter. I usually dial it in half way, just for alittle "crisp". Plus, if you have it that high, you'll hear it better, and not have to dial in as much, if any. I know when I had my 410XLT, I had to dial in a good amout of tweeter just to get the sound I wanna hear at practice/live. But in order to do that, the curcuit would be over-worked, and the "safety fuse" would light up the cab.

**B-string** · #6 06-13-2010, 02:47 PM

Waiting for BFM's input.

Sundogue · #7 06-13-2010, 02:55 PM

You are better off making two 210's out of it, aligning them all in a row vertically. Put the tweeter in the top 210.

It gives you a taller rig (easier to hear). It keeps all your drivers (and thus mids) aligned for better hearing anywhere you stand. It's easier to haul two lighter 210's than one heavy 410.

Make the cab out of braced 1/2" birch ply. They'll be much lighter than if you use 3/4" ply.

Praxist · #8 06-13-2010, 05:01 PM

Thanks Sundogue, I've read and respect your posts and value your input. At the same time, I realize I should clarify a few things. I don't want to have two cabs, although I know they could be better vertically aligned and would be more movable, but I'm really only interested in my two options above.

The new configuration will fit the space and shape requirements nicely, plus I just plan to move all the electronics over as-is once the new cab's built. I am planning to use 1/2" baltic birch ply, I already have it here for another project.

I have all the tools and materials needed, I just wanted to know if I would experience any losses by reconfiguring from the original dimensions to the new dimensions (same internal volume). Thanks!

lbwdog · #9 06-13-2010, 06:03 PM

IMO, You'd be better off building a cab that suits you, selling the Peavey. It really is a good 4x10 and should be easy to sell.

I'm not sure that modifying that cab would be successful anyway and it would be easier to start from scratch. If I were dead set on a 4x10, I'd find four Eminence neo drivers, build a box with proper internal volume and preferred layout.

Otherwise, I'd build a fEarful 12+6 or 15+6 seeing as how the plans are right here on TB.

73jbass · #10 06-14-2010, 07:13 AM

DR Bass made a 410 configured very similar to what you are wanting to do.There are a few of them out there.

NoGraveConcern · #11 06-14-2010, 07:26 AM

If the volume and tuning remains the same it won't be appreciably worse than the original.

The tweeter would be best as close to ear level as possible. If that makes it sound harsh then you need to l-pad it down so that it is even with the level of the other drivers. Otherwise you run the risk of cutting the heads off of the audience that is standing at a lower elevation offstage by having the tweeter set too high because it's beaming all its sound at your knees.

Sundogue · #12 06-14-2010, 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Praxist

Thanks Sundogue, I've read and respect your posts and value your input. At the same time, I realize I should clarify a few things. I don't want to have two cabs, although I know they could be better vertically aligned and would be more movable, but I'm really only interested in my two options above.

The new configuration will fit the space and shape requirements nicely, plus I just plan to move all the electronics over as-is once the new cab's built. I am planning to use 1/2" baltic birch ply, I already have it here for another project.

I have all the tools and materials needed, I just wanted to know if I would experience any losses by reconfiguring from the original dimensions to the new dimensions (same internal volume). Thanks!

The only reason I suggested the two 210's in a vertical alignment is that your design is only slight improvement over the standard 410 (given that 410's already have problems with two sets of 210's side by side). Two vertical 210's would give you the best option soundwise.

The tens in my cabs below are aligned at an angle, but the cabs also have dedicated 6" mids (bi-amped) so the alignment of the 210's are of little concern. Your tens are going to be running full range so the alignment is more critical.

Kael · #13 06-14-2010, 03:35 PM

You should sell that 410 and either purchase one that meets your requirements, or build one that does using the money from the sale.

Praxist · #14 06-14-2010, 09:47 PM

Thanks again Sundogue, so I guess having them all vertically aligned would provide the best sound? And it sounds like its better in the midrange with the vertical design? By extension though, my design above would still be an improvement over the original design then? I'm going to do it then. As long as this new configuration isn't going to take anything away from what it originally did, I'm good.

Thanks for your input everyone, to be clear, it was free to me. I'm not going to sell it, trade it, find something better, build another design or anything else. I'm either doing it as I've outlined above, or keeping it as is. I already have another complete setup that I'll continue to use for playing out. This one is going to the studio anyway, I just wanted to be able to move it myself in the back of my car.

Thanks again!

MNAirHead · #15 06-14-2010, 09:57 PM

You may be able to trade it for a 2x10 cabinet.