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Old 12-14-2010, 12:20 PM
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How good would this set up be?

Would I be able to compete with 2 loud guitar players?

I play with both pic and fingers and I'm talking about a metal band.

When I look at the specs it says 2x200W. I'm thinking biamps? Can I bridge both and have 400w through 1 8ohm cab.

I'm pretty green so my apologies if this is a sub par question. lol

Thanx for your input guys!

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The manual is on the Peavey site..

Off the top of my head I don't know if the amp biamps OR if the cross over is eliminated wiht full range.

I use one biamp.. it's plenty big for my gigs..
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The manual says.

Rated power & load:
200W RMS per channel into 4ohms with DDT compression.

Bi-amp mode:
200W RMS low pass into 4 ohms, 200W RMS high pass into 4ohms.

Load impedance:
4ohms or greater.

Does this mean that I have to get a 4ohm cab in order to get max power from the amp or would I be ok with an 8ohm?

I'd like to add a second cab later. A 210NEO or the newer
TB115.
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The real way to do it is get 2 8 ohm cabs.. this would equal 4 ohms.

You'd also be able to split the highs and lows and use the cool Crossover&Chorus function.
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As I recall, those were pretty cool heads - but like most Peavey's not exact conservatively rated power-wise.

But you won't know if you can "keep up" with two guitarist who won't turn down until you fire it up...
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The real way to do it is get 2 8 ohm cabs.. this would equal 4 ohms.

You'd also be able to split the highs and lows and use the cool Crossover&Chorus function.
Actually, it looks to me like it is a 2 channel amp and you want two 4 ohm cabs. I wouldn't bother with the crossover. No bridging capability. If you had filled out your profile, it would be easier to help you.
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Old 12-14-2010, 06:59 PM
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As I recall, those were pretty cool heads...
Oh yeah and you're not the only one, someone else said they were pretty cool too:

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I sure love mine. Thanks to Tim for the heads up on how good these are. I currently use mine in biamp mode with two Bag End cabinets. It is easily loud enough for the band I am in. I also tried it into my 4 x 12 cabinet and it sounds great. The large cab is too heavy and bulky for my current band situation.

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Actually, it looks to me like it is a 2 channel amp and you want two 4 ohm cabs. I wouldn't bother with the crossover. No bridging capability. If you had filled out your profile, it would be easier to help you.
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I own about 20 cabinets...

This amp is designed to power a high and low.... it has a unique crossover that doesn't send a chorus to the low end.

For HUGE venues.. you could fire 4 8 ohm cabinets....

After owning quite a few of cabs, I'd really stick with 8 ohms... this allows you to ad more air moving cabs.... folks forget the engineering and sensitivity combined with number of drivers are what creates the audible noise.

One of my irritations with TB are folks who don't own, have never tried and never read the manuals posting a hunch as a fact.

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When you speak with the Meridian staff, this is one of their favored designs..

For the "right" person, it's stunning.... it's ideal for someone who likes clarity and/or uses pedals.

Few amps will sound even accross a 7-string.. this one combined with the right cabs will give me 100% clarity without annoying distortion. For 7 it's cool to have the chorus kick in for only the upper notes of a chord..

Some say this is clearer and more transparent than anythng GK dreamed of.

I've had multiple times bassists have offered to buy my entire rig due... this has never happened with my snob or ampeg gear.

That said, I keep it in storage for outdoor or large venue use.

I'd dowload the peavey manual before making a final decision.

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Feel free to email me if you have direct questions etc...
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One of my irritations with TB are folks who don't own, have never tried and never read the manuals posting a hunch as a fact.
You posted that two 8 ohm cabs on a stereo amp equals 4 ohms. You recommended bi-amping to a self-professed "green" player and gave no additional info. Now you are going off on one of your rambles about 20 cabs, 7 string basses, and your close friends on the Peavey staff. I was just trying to contain the damage.

The OP wants to know if the Megabass will work well with a 410. Maybe I'm wrong, but I am assuming he doesn't want to go out and buy a garage full of gear. The easy, sensible answer is that the Megabass isn't the best choice when using a single cab. If you want to get the most power out of the head, get two 4 ohm cabs. If you want to use a single 410, a simple mono head would serve you better.

If you want to build a state of the art system around a discontinued, marginally powered, bargain-priced amp, Tim is your guru.
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Old 12-15-2010, 08:58 AM
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The OP wants to know if the Megabass will work well with a 410. Maybe I'm wrong, but I am assuming he doesn't want to go out and buy a garage full of gear. The easy, sensible answer is that the Megabass isn't the best choice when using a single cab. If you want to get the most power out of the head, get two 4 ohm cabs. If you want to use a single 410, a simple mono head would serve you better.

In short you are wrong... the full range mode turns it to a single head (4 ohm mono)... the OP did discuss wanting other cabinets. "I'd like to add a second cab later. A 210NEO or the newer TB115."

It would require some type of pre-box and 2 Megabass to turn it to a stereo

As the manual points out this was never meant to be a stereo amp.. it's hi/lo with crossed over chorus.... In a live setting, folks can not articulate stereo bass.

It will work great in full range mode... will also open up future possiblities with biamp mode....

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No back to helping our original poster.
The Mega works great in the full range mode with a single cab... 200 clear watts is more than many of us actually use.

Please accept my condolences for the less than courteous reply after mine.. unfortunately most folks don't know this head... it will easily accommodate 4-8 ohm cabinets.... 2 for high.. 2 for low... it has full range for running just one.... it is one of the solutions that will allow for 2 different types of cabinets - some will endorse this .. some will suggest to stick with one style.

Cabs --- after having many.. the difference between 4 and 8 ohm isn't worth it... more speakers move more air.. not the marinal watts..

IF needed, you can run 4-8 ohm cabs... (that's if needed).. or you can mix/match between them using the cross over... this is one of the few heads that effectively can blend different cabs (using the EQ and crossover etc)

Blindly I always suggest to plan in flexibility. Some venues are huge.. some have PA support.. The reality is when needing more power than this puts out, you can either use a DI box or one of the 2 on the back (or one in full range mode)

In short.. full range mode is more than enough for clear output up to a mid sized venue (with or without pa supprt).. the manual goes thorugh how to add additional cabinets when the needs expand. I've successfully ran 32-10s with this (silly I know).. the reality is that many of us only need a few speakers to do the job.

The benefits of this one are clarity, crossed over chorus, future flexibility etc....

Without knowing your location and/or buying price on the Mega, it's tough to tell you if it's a good deal or not.

I've had zero issues with a mega. In reality, I rarely play one out as with PA support large amps are not necessary (yes have some much bigger stuff).

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I'm always cautious not to say "yes or no" not knowing your setup (if yo play wiht a band... what the specs are if you do).. who knows you may be picking this up in never touched condition for $75

To really help you more, I'd need additional information.

Like noted, I'd pull down the manual before deciding... PM me directly if you have additional details or I can help you specifically compare etc.

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Please let me know if I can help.. the Mega was not fully understood by the market place... to fully "get it" it takes some learning and adjusting time.

As some will point out, watts doesn't always equate to output - there are other variables.

I do own other brands and can compare.

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The manual says.

Rated power & load:
200W RMS per channel into 4ohms with DDT compression.

Bi-amp mode:
200W RMS low pass into 4 ohms, 200W RMS high pass into 4ohms.

Load impedance:
4ohms or greater.

Does this mean that I have to get a 4ohm cab in order to get max power from the amp or would I be ok with an 8ohm?

I'd like to add a second cab later. A 210NEO or the newer
TB115.
Some will point out that mixing cabs isn't the best route...

With the cross over on this spedcific one, it is possible to "tune them" together.

I took tons of time and (with some smarter help) engineered 2 different cabinets that allow for clear full range.

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There's a ton of stuff in archives on 4 vs 8 ohm... I was foolish and went down the "max out at 4 ohms" road... this was a dead end road as adding cabinets then was not an option.

Overall, (after wasting a ton of money) I'd consider 8 ohm cabinets for future flexibility.

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"I'd like to add a second cab later. A 210NEO or the newer TB115"

To effetively do this, you'd be "splitting" the signal.. sending lows to the one more efficient for lows.. and highs to the other... the chorus would only come out on the higher cabinet (in biamp mode)

Few heads efficiently do this.

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If it's the right one for you.. I'd need more info.. defining "loud guitars" can mean tons.. I'm clueless if you can be put through monitors etc.

Chances are if they're the stack guys, the number of speakers may make a bigger difference than the number of watts.
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Hopefully between all of the above it makes sense.

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In short you are wrong... the full range mode turns it to a single head (4 ohm mono)...

It would require some type of pre-box and 2 Megabass to turn it to a stereo

You are correct in that it would be more accurate to say dual-mono, because there are not stereo inputs, but you make it sound as if the power amps are bridged in Full Range mode, which they are not. There are two power amps, each 200W @ 4 ohms.
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In full range operation, the crossover is bypassed and full range signals are routed to both power amplifiers.



As the manual points out this was never meant to be a stereo amp.. it's hi/lo with crossed over chorus.... In a live setting, folks can not articulate stereo bass.

As I clarified, it is switchable between Bi-Amp and dual-output Full Range. It is not "meant" to be used one way or the other. The purpose of using both outputs in full range mode is not to achieve a "stereo" effect, but to make the full power capability available.

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No back to helping our original poster.
The Mega works great in the full range mode with a single cab... 200 clear watts is more than many of us actually use.

The OP was referring to an 8 ohm cab, which would reduce the output to about 130 watts. This is less than many of us actually use. If you would rather have 400W available instead of 130W, use two 4 ohm cabs in full range mode, not a single 8 ohm cab.


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Please contact me when there's a way I can be of service - I know this (and about 20 other heads). I'm not one to recommend amps blindly as they're subjective and dependent greatly on the exact application.

I"m here the help, without additional infomation, much of what you'll receive are opinions that may or may not be trust worthy.
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"The OP was referring to an 8 ohm cab, which would reduce the output to about 130 watts. This is less than many of us actually use. If you would rather have 400W available instead of 130W, use two 4 ohm cabs in full range mode, not a single 8 ohm cab."


OP PM me off the thread...there's an inaccuracy on this. I have a hunch if I keep spending the time it will not help our you -- I'm concerned that someone could skim this thread and damage their head

I do not like cluttering TB with corrections.
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You've got to be kidding.
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Nope... sincere
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Well I can't say I blame you for not wanting to explain the "inaccuracy" where it can be scrutinized by others.
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