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Old 03-22-2010, 09:23 AM
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Going to replace the preamp tube in my Hartke 3500, can anyone tell me the difference between a Sovtek 12AX7WA and a Sovtek 12AX7WC, what I'm looking for is a warmer sound out of my amp..Thanks for any input....
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Old 03-22-2010, 09:32 AM
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I went though this a while ago. I actually use the ECC83s. For my amp (SWR Bass 750) it gave me the best warmth of any of the 12AX7's.
Check here - http://www.vacuumtubes.com/12ax7.html
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Old 03-22-2010, 09:40 AM
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FWIW, ECC83 is just the European name, 12AX7 is just the US name. Same tube. That said, of course different tubes from different manufacturers and eras can sound different, so that's the actual basis of what iriegnome heard. The reason this distinction is worth knowing is that not all ECC83's will give you the same results, just as not all 12AX7's will; and some ECC83's sound exactly the same as some 12AX7's.

Honestly IMO the very best thing to do is have some fun "tube rolling". That's where you buy a bunch of different tubes, and spend a week or two just swapping them in, and trying to hear a difference; and if you convince yourself that you hear a difference, then deciding which one you like best. That will get you the best results, rather than expecting "more warmth" from a specific model number. The odds of you getting "more warmth" just going by the model number are very, very slim.

Another thing: IMO qualities like "warmth" come mostly from the design of the circuit, and how the tube is powered and implemented in that circuit. What this means is there are a lot of tube devices and amps out there that were designed in a way where tube swapping won't do you any good, it won't matter. This depends on the specific amp though, and I don't know about the OP's amp.
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Old 03-22-2010, 10:07 AM
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Well, they may have the same foot print, but they are no where near the same tube. As a matter of fact, every single tube marked 12AX7 or ECC83s or 5751 will be completely different!!
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OP, just posted the same question a couple of days ago for the same amp, I'm going to be ordering a JJ & a Tung-Sol. Let me know what you end up with for comparison. It's odd that you always seem to hear or read alot more from guitarists about tubes than from bass players. Hopefully I can post an update by the end of next week.
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Well, they may have the same foot print, but they are no where near the same tube.
Look at the site you linked. Check out what it says for ECC83.
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ECC83 = 12AX7
5751 is different (gain)
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