Problems with Eden?

IllGottenGain · #1 02-07-2011, 08:52 AM

I just ordered a 410XLT that I found at GC. I know what you'll say about that place, but it was really my only option, since I can finance it there. Anyway, that's not the point. I did a lot of research on them, and played one that I found on Craigslist, but must have been blinded by love. My after-purchase-waiting-for-cab-to-arrive-research has shown me that lots of people have problems with their Eden gear. Anyone blow speakers for no reason or have magic white smoke come from your gear? Anything you can do to avoid this?

It seems ridiculous that a higher end company can have such problems. Many of the cab issues I read about were involved in chaining cabs together. Maybe that's related, maybe it's not. I doubt that GC will sell a cab that has these problems, so I think I'm probably ok for the short run anyway...

ThunderousFunk · #2 02-07-2011, 09:06 AM

I had a 410xlt with a wt400 head(pre-buyout), and because of the frequencies I played at, and how tough I was playing the bass, I used to rip the speakers. They would rip off of the frame. Also, don't freak out if you see your speaker frames lighting up, it's the light fuse saying your hi frequency levels are too high for that volume. These are basic descriptions, and am sure a more knowledgable player will chime in to help explain futher, if necessary. From what I read, Eden was a great company to own from. But since their buyout, it's seems to be pretty hit-or-miss, mostly focusing on the miss.

LaklandBass · #3 02-07-2011, 09:18 AM

I have a 550 head and a 410xlt cab. I have pushed the rig pretty darn hard with a low string tuned to G# and have had no issues.

JTE · #4 02-07-2011, 09:50 AM

I had a D410XLT-4 and a D212XLT-4 for years, gigged about 60-75 times/year driving them with either WT-400 heads or a WT-600 (same pre-amp as the WT-400, with a stereo 300 WRMS/side @ 4Ω power amp). The ONLY problem ever was right after I got the 2x12 (I bought it used) when we supplied back-line for an all-day pub crawl. One of the 12's got cacked but I wasn't there when that band played. I don't know if one of the other bands' bassist didn't know (or care) what a crying speaker sounded like, or if the speaker had some issues from before I bought it. But after having Eden recone it, it never had any other problems ever.

That was with a big noisy band (two female vocals, congas/hand percussion, loud guitarist, busy keyboards, acoustic guitar, and hard-hitting drummer). I wouldn't worry about it.

John

PaulMacCnj · #5 02-07-2011, 09:55 AM

The white smoke from an amp is because it was driven into clipping for an extended period. The Eden owner's manual specifically talks about avoiding clipping. It's not just good advice, it's essential to avoiding damage.

Roy Vogt · #6 02-07-2011, 09:59 AM

If you don't abuse the amps they'll take good care of you. I've had my WT600 head and 210 XLT cabs since 1996 and they're still going strong.
FWIW, Edens are designed to adjust from the input gain as high up as you can go without clipping and then the overall level is set from the final output stage.
The compressor is your friend-learn how to use it.....
Read the manual as well.
Any cab or amp will blow if you chain it together with other mismatched cabs. I routinely blew up my Acoustic heads back in the day until that was explained to me by a kindly Tech who took pity on the Teenaged Knucklehead who kept bringing his amp back......

ThunderousFunk · #7 02-07-2011, 11:43 AM

Oh, don't get me wrong either! I loved my Eden gear, and the tone I got from that rig. I just think I needed to add more power to it(more cabs & amps). I was in a rap/rock band, and I was always trying to emulate hip-hop bass(808 bass hit, URB, and keyboard bass), as well asregular bass tones with just what I had(wrong idea). Believe me, I wish I still had that rig!!!

okcrum · #8 02-07-2011, 12:17 PM

No problems with either a WT800A or a WT405.

IllGottenGain · #9 02-07-2011, 12:42 PM

Thanks guys, you've relieved some of my fears. Guess we'll have to see how it works out. The light comes on when there's too much high freq? I guess that's a bad thing to have on all the time, but it sure must look cool. Wonder why more cabs don't have lights behind the speakers.

Bean639 · #10 02-07-2011, 12:57 PM

IMO, the lights being on means that you have too much high end eq'd into the amp. Those lights are fuses and if they are lighting up then something needs to come down.

Also I have had my wt800 and two 410xlt for 8 years now. Those things have been to hell and back and I never had a problem.

Note:All my eden gear is made in the USA. I can't speak for the overseas stuff.

Jonyak · #11 02-07-2011, 12:59 PM

I had both a 410XLT and a 210 XLT and both had to go back for warrantly repairs, after not bringing them anywhere close to what they were rated at.

okcrum · #12 02-07-2011, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonyak

I had both a 410XLT and a 210 XLT and both had to go back for warrantly repairs, after not bringing them anywhere close to what they were rated at.

Did they work correctly after the repairs?

IllGottenGain · #13 02-07-2011, 01:44 PM

Will they only repair them under warranty? That may be a dumb question, but IMO any good company should repair their gear that breaks for no reason.

Blues Bass 2 · #14 02-07-2011, 02:01 PM

I had a pair of 210 XLTs for a few years and had no problems with reliability and I pushed them pretty hard at times .Nothing but good things to say about those speakers . Nobody I know in my area that have used them has had any issue with them blowing either . The only downside I have heard about the speakers is the weight , the tone is great .

PDGood · #15 02-07-2011, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Roy Vogt

Any cab or amp will blow if you chain it together with other mismatched cabs. I routinely blew up my Acoustic heads back in the day until that was explained to me by a kindly Tech who took pity on the Teenaged Knucklehead who kept bringing his amp back......

Roy, can you please clarify what you mean by mis-matched? I play different different speaker configurations (and brands) intentionally for the tonal variation. I'm not aware of a problem in this context.
Are you referring to matching the ohm rating between cabs and head? That would be understandable.

Jonyak · #16 02-07-2011, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by okcrum

Did they work correctly after the repairs?

ya they actualy both worked great after they were repaired.

Took them a year to do the work though on the 410, and about 8 months on the 210.

okcrum · #17 02-07-2011, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonyak

ya they actualy both worked great after they were repaired.

Took them a year to do the work though on the 410, and about 8 months on the 210.

That's great, but a helluva long time to turn around the repairs. Was this recent?

Jonyak · #18 02-07-2011, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by okcrum

That's great, but a helluva long time to turn around the repairs. Was this recent?

The 210, was back in 07 or 08.

the 410 was in 08.

I bought them together, they were both built in 07 I beleive.

okcrum · #19 02-07-2011, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonyak

The 210, was back in 07 or 08.

the 410 was in 08.

I bought them together, they were both built in 07 I beleive.

Oh, you got bit back in some of the last really bad days of the Eden (who owns us this week?) CS times. At least they carried through the repairs.

Roy Vogt · #20 02-07-2011, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by PDGood

Roy, can you please clarify what you mean by mis-matched? I play different different speaker configurations (and brands) intentionally for the tonal variation. I'm not aware of a problem in this context.
Are you referring to matching the ohm rating between cabs and head? That would be understandable.

That would definitely be the ohm rating....