Product testing of Deuce Guitars new VersaCab System

deuceguit · #1 10-19-2011, 06:53 AM

(Note to Moderator: I have read the commercial policy and I'm trying to get as much feedback and impressions of our products as the members of this forum are our primary customers.)

Hi,

Here at Deuce we are trying to develope a new speaker cabinet system for the gigging musician. We have dubbed it the VersaCab and we would like your input on your conserns and your habbits while you're gigging. The Idea behind VersaCab is simple : Create a speaker cabinet system (yes, this is a system of cabinets and not just individual units) that will alow the musician to match his/her speaker requirements to the venue. Example: One night you play in a small club for 20 people so you bring a 10". The next night you play in front of 200 people so you add 3 more 10" units to make a 4X10 system. All that on the same amp head.

Now as commercial policies of this forum forbid SPAMing, they do not however have the ability to support video which is why I have to put the link to Youtube. Please see the video and come back to TalkBass to discuss it.

Deuce VersaCab Product testing #1 - YouTube

Thanks,

superbassman2000 · #2 10-19-2011, 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by deuceguit

One night you play in a small club for 20 people so you bring a 10". The next night you play in front of 200 people so you add 3 more 10" units to make a 4X10 system. All that on the same amp head.

i'd be interested in knowing how you would do this ^^

will33 · #3 10-19-2011, 08:16 AM

Sundogue, patent your rig now.

Muttleybass · #4 10-19-2011, 08:29 AM

Not sure I would want to bother hauling 4 separate cabs. I would rather have just two. Less trips to the truck and back.

I'm pretty sure a 2X10 standing vertical would be small enough for the smallest venue, then laying it flat and stacking a second one on it to give you 4X10s would be just about perfect for anything I'd do.

DWBass · #5 10-19-2011, 08:59 AM

How would you acheive a 4ohm load using 4 separate cabs? Is there some sort of internal system that corrects/changes the impedances of each cab when connected?

father of fires · #6 10-19-2011, 09:02 AM

Do a test down a flight of stairs, off a table, or off of a truck. That would be more common.

will33 · #7 10-19-2011, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by DWBass

How would you acheive a 4ohm load using 4 separate cabs? Is there some sort of internal system that corrects/changes the impedances of each cab when connected?

Series cable. Putting a 15 in that tiny little cube's gotta do wonders for the lowend.

Another modular rig, just bring as many stacks as needed.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

will33 · #8 10-19-2011, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by father of fires

Do a test down a flight of stairs, off a table, or off of a truck. That would be more common.

+1

Any cab can handle getting tossed around. What you need to worry about is shear force taking the magnet loose or tweaking the basket out of round and getting coil rub. A little tumble, roll, skid like that is nothing like the force it would recieve falling off the back of a truck or a 4ft. stage.

BurningSkies · #9 10-19-2011, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by will33

Series cable. Putting a 15 in that tiny little cube's gotta do wonders for the lowend.

Another modular rig, just bring as many stacks as needed.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

Linky no worky.

father of fires · #10 10-19-2011, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by will33

+1

Any cab can handle getting tossed around. What you need to worry about is shear force taking the magnet loose or tweaking the basket out of round and getting coil rub. A little tumble, roll, skid like that is nothing like the force it would recieve falling off the back of a truck or a 4ft. stage.

Agreed. Also, assume your clients are idiots and put some serious power and low end (sub 40 Hz) into the cab to see how it takes that kind of abuse as well.

DWBass · #11 10-19-2011, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by will33

Series cable. Putting a 15 in that tiny little cube's gotta do wonders for the lowend.

Another modular rig, just bring as many stacks as needed.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

Well, he's saying it's a 'system' of some sort. I'd like to see a video of him explaining what 'type' of system instead of him throwing a cab around. If you're using a series cable, there's really no 'system' to speak of.

will33 · #12 10-19-2011, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by BurningSkies

Linky no worky.

Wierd, try that one.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

will33 · #13 10-19-2011, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by BurningSkies

Linky no worky.

Maybe it's a mobile device thing, works on my phone.

It was KISS doing "Deuce" circa 1975. 3 stacks on either side of the drums.

stflbn · #14 10-19-2011, 10:35 AM

Video also didn't sound like the cabinet was 'deep' by any means... also doesn't appear as though it would go very deep.

:: skeptical :: as always ::

superbassman2000 · #15 10-19-2011, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by will33

Maybe it's a mobile device thing, works on my phone.

It was KISS doing "Deuce" circa 1975. 3 stacks on either side of the drums.

i would wager a bet that not all of them are plugged in and are more for show

Wes Whitmore · #16 10-19-2011, 11:47 AM

It appears to be a guitar building company just dabbling in speaker cab design. I had to look around, but I found some info on these cabs/company. Most of it is not in english (They are based in Canada), making it real hard to appeal to US customers. The website is pretty though, but not much real content. No reviews by real bass players, no tests. We at TB love a good review.

They have some cabs on ebay for sale. It's all based on a 16" cubed box design (square boxes are a big no no in box design, btw) with a veriety of Eminence drivers stuffed in it depending on the model you choose. 4x6" alphas, 1xS2010, 1xS2510, or some 12" version (Its the one with the round grill) all available in the same size box. No tweeter option that I can see. They will even cut a port in it if you want it that way. Unfortunately, each of those speakers take a pretty exact calculation of airspace and porting to sound good. Just for example, a 2ft2+ box is way too big for a sealed S2010. If you were making open back guitar cabs, you could get away with building whatever looked good, thats fine, but there is a lot more to it with bass cabs. YOu also cant just cut a hole in it as an option.

They use what looks like decent quality materials (1/2" BB and off the shelf eminence drivers). They cover it in materials that differ from the usual sprayed duratex, vinyl, and carpet, but also offer those. The grills look nice. The problem is that there is more art than science behind this than just building a box that stacks well with another box, which is pretty much the whole marketing for this line.

The single box/4 box stack (and the series/parallel issue) looks to be achieved by a simple DPDT switch that they have mounted on a penn elcon dish with two 1/4" jacks. The absense of speakon jacks just shows me even more that this is a guitar minded company. We all know that there is a huge difference between what guitar people will buy and what bass people will buy. We are the smart ones...

It looks like you have the equipment, woodworking skills, and supplies to make this work, but I would get my head wrapped around a bit more of the science behind it as well.

Wes

billfitzmaurice · #17 10-19-2011, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Wes Whitmore

It looks like you have the equipment, woodworking skills, and supplies to make this work, but I would get my head wrapped around a bit more of the science behind it as well.

+1. The last thing the world needs is another generic box with random drivers tossed in by someone with no clue as to how it needs to be done to give a good result. Guitar cabs can get away with doing that. Bass, not so much.

father of fires · #18 10-19-2011, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by billfitzmaurice

+1. The last thing the world needs is another generic box with random drivers tossed in by someone with no clue as to how it needs to be done to give a good result. Guitar cabs can get away with doing that. Bass, not so much.

That **** is so unfair. Sometimes bass guitar amplification keeps me up at night. No joke.

will33 · #19 10-19-2011, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by superbassman2000

i would wager a bet that not all of them are plugged in and are more for show

Yeah, I was looking for the itty bitty amp with the mic in front of it. Didn't actually see it but it was a lesser quality "show" type video.

bongomania · #20 10-19-2011, 01:19 PM

To the OP, honestly we already have the modular thing covered. For small gigs we bring a modest-sized 8 ohm cab, for larger gigs we bring a second (identical) 8 ohm cab. The 4 ohm total load and the doubling of speakers is all most people need. The cabs we choose can be as ideally-designed as possible within budget.

So since the idea of modular is nailed down quite solidly already, what are you bringing to the table? Cubes?