Put a mic on it

[boristhespider7]

Originally Posted by JimmyM

D112 is my least favorite bass cab mic ever. These are the best somewhat affordable bass cab mics I've used:

EV RE-20
Heil PR40 (back it off the grill 2 or 3 inches and it sounds a lot like an RE-20)
Sennheiser MD421
Beyer M88

However, looking at that P2's specs and response chart, I'd bet money that it would be a really good inexpensive bass cab mic. Never used one, though.

All of that list is way out of my budget
Hence the P2, if it gives a half decent tone it'll be a real bargain

[SquierJazz72]

Yes.

At the moment, I am just doing stuff at home.
I have a spare computer set up as a studio rig and I run a mic from the amp to either the sound card or USB port, depending on which mic I am using.

[Arjank]

Originally Posted by JimmyM

What makes you think that the sound coming out of my amp isn't my sound? It's a lot more my sound than the sound of an untreated solid state DI. Only thing I've used for a DI that's as good or better than a mic is the REDDI or a speaker out DI from one of my tube amps.

I don't use an "untreated" DI, I use the post pre-amp DI of my bassamp, so the tone controles and the tube pre-amp stage are part of the sound. To let you know, I don't like the sound of a plain DI either.

Originally Posted by JimmyM

I can only assume you've never tried it.

Yes I did.
The soundguy of the funk/jazz band I played in years ago miced one 8" driver of my4x8 with ringradiator horn. His idea was to only use the signal for some slight midrange dirt when I had my solo spot
But, when it comes to really capture the sound of what you hear from a two or three way cabinet you just can't close mic it. I know what mic position does, I measured lot and lots of cabinets/loudspeakers.

[JimmyM]

Fair enough, Arjank. I still disagree about micing a 2 or 3 way cab, but that's OK.

[Bassmec]

Originally Posted by JimmyM

Fair enough, Arjank. I still disagree about micing a 2 or 3 way cab, but that's OK.

This is absolutely the truth, if you have inductive elements in series with the bass driver as part of the crossover removing higher frequencies, this means that you are also out of phase with the front of house or any active monitor on stage.
Of course if you have similar inductive elements in all your monitors then that's fine, but of course that's actually almost never these days.
So in order to properly close mic an old school passive like a fearful 15/6 you will need two microphones and two phase tools to bring it in proper alignment with signals from a DI.
It all matters in my trade.

[bigchiefbc]

Originally Posted by boristhespider7

bigchief, how do you find the P2? Its a mic i've been thinking about too for my LB30 tube amp. Does it have any scooping of the mids? Hows the natural un-eq'd sound? Ever tried the AKG D112? How do they compare?

I really like it, it's great for the price. Going by the specs on the website (and my ears so far), it has no mid scoop at all. The specs that AKG put up shows an impressively flat response, that's why I bought it. Now, it doesn't have the insanely huge low-end that a lot of the kick mics have, but those trade off with a big mid-scoop. No, I haven't tried the D112, because the specs show a huge scoop and I knew I didn't want that. However, I have tried the Beta 52 and it was too scooped for my tastes.

It does what I want for a reasonable price. Like you, there's no chance I'll have the cash laying around to try the Heil, the EV or the Sennheiser any time soon.

[boristhespider7]

Originally Posted by bigchiefbc

I really like it, it's great for the price. Going by the specs on the website (and my ears so far), it has no mid scoop at all. The specs that AKG put up shows an impressively flat response, that's why I bought it. Now, it doesn't have the insanely huge low-end that a lot of the kick mics have, but those trade off with a big mid-scoop. No, I haven't tried the D112, because the specs show a huge scoop and I knew I didn't want that. However, I have tried the Beta 52 and it was too scooped for my tastes.

It does what I want for a reasonable price. Like you, there's no chance I'll have the cash laying around to try the Heil, the EV or the Sennheiser any time soon.

Ta bigchief, def going to have to get my hands on one!

[JimmyM]

Originally Posted by Bassmec

This is absolutely the truth, if you have inductive elements in series with the bass driver as part of the crossover removing higher frequencies, this means that you are also out of phase with the front of house or any active monitor on stage.
Of course if you have similar inductive elements in all your monitors then that's fine, but of course that's actually almost never these days.
So in order to properly close mic an old school passive like a fearful 15/6 you will need two microphones and two phase tools to bring it in proper alignment with signals from a DI.
It all matters in my trade.

Not in mine

Oh well, moot point anyway since I've decided to stick with one way cabs and a REDDI, but I've found those highs always make it to the mic somehow.

[Arjank]

Originally Posted by JimmyM

Not in mine

Oh well, moot point anyway since I've decided to stick with one way cabs and a REDDI, but I've found those highs always make it to the mic somehow.

I guess everyone gets to a point someday where he/she has found a way to get his sound through the PA. Some use only a DI, some use one Mic, some use DI+Mic, other ones use 2 Mics etc. If you get YOUR sound up front and you're happy with it, then it just totally works(for you).
After all those years fiddling with setups I found out that with the sound I'm after (modern funk tone with slight 70's edge) I'm best of with using the post DI of my bassamp(so the tone controles and tube stage are part of the sound) in conjunction with an extreme natural and even sounding cabinet.