Queensryche & Alice in Chains recent grit tone

[tocs100]

Queensryche live 2009(?)
Queensryche-I Don't Believe in Love Live - YouTube

AIC live 2010
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXpDkTqIdME

Love that tone: suggestions?

[IntrepidCellist]

Active bass, G-K amp, set for growl.

[Daniel Piper]

I always thought mike from AIC was a cranked svt sorta guy

[tocs100]

Originally Posted by IntrepidCellist

Active bass, G-K amp, set for growl.

Tried one. Cool, but not OMG.

Originally Posted by Daniel Piper

I always thought mike from AIC was a cranked svt sorta guy

Same as above. Also, Mike Inez has a huge pedalboard. Maybe he's using a Sansamp BDDI with blended overdrive?

You guys both have experience with Sansamp stuff, whatdya think?

[IntrepidCellist]

That recipe up top is pretty much Mindcrime-era Queensryche.

[tocs100]

Originally Posted by IntrepidCellist

That recipe up top is pretty much Mindcrime-era Queensryche.

Right, but the "recent" sound of the live video was sadly absent from their classic studio sound (= blah, imo). Similar deal with AIC.

Studio comparison clip: www.youtube.com/watch?v=2c3g6tTYoxM
Yep, def ok-ish GK sound, a bit dated & synthy too, rather than growly, modern, and mean...

[perfektspace6]

...don't forget the pick. Some EMG's might help.

[tocs100]

Originally Posted by tocs100

....Also, Mike Inez has a huge pedalboard. Maybe he's using a Sansamp BDDI with blended overdrive?

You guys both have experience with Sansamp stuff, whatdya think?

.

[JimiLL]

Gonna need a heavy pick... emgs and a Sansamp should get you real close

[tycobb73]

I saw footage of a recent AIC concert. He was using a spector. And those more than likely had EMGs in them. EMGs have a pretty unique sound.

[grendle]

Spector + ampeg svt (2, 2 pre, or 7 pro) + svt8x10. Gets that tone all day , no effects.

He's running a distortion (bddi?) On a wick for AIC. The Spector does that naturally.

[bassgod0dmw]

Mike Inez plays a Warwick SS1 with a pick into a pair of SVT-II Pro's feeding a pair of Ampeg 8X10's.

As mentioned above, he also uses Spector. His SS1 has EMG PJ's with a P reversed and an EMG preamp. The NS2 and SS1 are fairly similar construction and wood wise.

No clue about his pedalboard.

[groove pump]

My newer bass is a nice custom bolt-on 4-string that has EMG P/J pickups with a bass/treble preamp. It's not a hefty beast, but it has a mahogany body and maple/rosewood neck. It could get me a whole lot closer to that sound than my passive J-bass for sure.

Careful with the BDDI. While it can get up toward an overdriven sound, it can also bury a lot of mids that might be not so helpful with trying to bring out that big diesel tone.

[daze_fourkay]

Yep, sounds like EMGs, pick and Ampeg turned up with the mids high.

[tocs100]

Here's a new/working link for the AIC Sonisphere fest:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fv-1IYgZ0Ec

Anyone got info on Inez's pedalboard yet?

[superdick2112]

As Grendle stated, Spector + overdriven Ampeg or GK = the Queensryche & AIC sound.

I'll add that having low action & a touch of fret buzz is also important, and so is using a strong right hand picking or fingerstyle attack, and fresh nickle or steel roundwound strings.
IMHO, the # 1 ingredient is active P/J EMG pickups & fresh strings.

[sumgruuvz]

+1. spector pretty much solves that whole riddle of where the growl and grit are coming from

[tocs100]

Originally Posted by superdick2112

As Grendle stated, Spector + overdriven Ampeg or GK = the Queensryche & AIC sound.

I'll add that having low action & a touch of fret buzz is also important, and so is using a strong right hand picking or fingerstyle attack, and fresh nickle or steel roundwound strings.
IMHO, the # 1 ingredient is active P/J EMG pickups & fresh strings.

Then how does one explain the HUGE pedalboard (see vid)?

I have a USA Peavey Millennium with active Music Man/J-Bass pups that sound better than any EMG's I've played. Then I bought a Sansamp bddi too but it doesn't get enough gain and and the gain farts-out w/o a huge bass cut first.
So I'm running two paths made easy with a Boss LS-2:
1) EHX steel leather into Zoom Sansamp sim with tons of processing
2) Tech 21 Blonde into Behringer blendable bass o.d. (Boss ODB-3 clone)
That's 3 levels of freq-dependent grind and it kills. No single ch. of gain is gonna get that sound.

[Caca de Kick]

Spector NS2/NS4 is the sound, they have that awesome grind tone. Amp is really unimportant.

[gene beauchamp]

Originally Posted by Caca de Kick

Spector NS2/NS4 is the sound, they have that awesome grind tone. Amp is really unimportant.

Agreed. Spector is the key ingredient. Pick not necessary.