Question about Speakon/LMII

Youngspanion · #1 12-31-2010, 05:59 PM

Just found a little quirk in my Speakon connection into my LMII head. The connector can be over turned to a point of disconnection. The speakon cable came with the TC 210 cab. I plan on buying new strings and new cables this weekend.

Just wondering if anyone would know if it would be the cable or the head connnector?

Any advice on new cables or should I just spend a lot of money on the ones they have?

wvbass · #2 12-31-2010, 06:13 PM

Switch whiech end of the speakon is in the amp and which is in the cab. Does the problem go away? Does it do it if you wiggle the cord?

Speakon ends are solderless. You can repair them with a screwdriver.

Youngspanion · #3 12-31-2010, 06:27 PM

I check it and it does it on both ends. It really only happens when I over turn it.

wvbass · #4 12-31-2010, 06:36 PM

Id be concerned something is loose in the amp and shorts it out when upside down.

Im not sure I really want to know but...just how did you come to know your amp misbehaves when upside down? My amp could fire deadly lasers when upside down and I'd never know.

GrowlerBox · #5 12-31-2010, 06:40 PM

I suspect he means "when I turn the cable end too far in the socket", rather than "overturn". He did spell it as two words, so not too ambiguous.

I could be wrong, of course .....

Youngspanion · #6 12-31-2010, 06:45 PM

Sorry "Overturn". Not turn over.

videomagician · #7 12-31-2010, 06:51 PM

I just bought a new speakon cable (10' since they didn't have a 5') from Guitar Center since I added an additional cabinet to my BX500. It is twist on/off only. I do not like it as well as the one I bought from Carvin that has a button to push to release. I will be ordering another 5' from Carvin and keeping the GC one as a back-up.

David

wvbass · #8 12-31-2010, 09:22 PM

Ok, i misunderstood. But how do you over turn a speakon connection? Plug it in, twist it all the way, and it locks in place. I can't turn it further than "all the way.". I must be really slow today, beause overturn makes more sense to me than over turn.

wvbass · #9 12-31-2010, 09:27 PM

Is the cable that comes with the tc210 made with neutrik ends? Maybe its a generic end that isnt made quite right? Ive never had any issues with my LMII, but I have only used neutrik connectors.

Youngspanion · #10 12-31-2010, 09:31 PM

I don't know if they are Neutrik. They seem a little cheapo. Blue plastic.

wvbass · #11 12-31-2010, 09:38 PM

Neutrik:
http://www.parts-express.com/pe/show...number=092-058
http://www.parts-express.com/pe/show...number=092-058

I prefer the four conductor version; I like the lock mechanism better

Jim C · #12 01-01-2011, 12:38 PM

Search; This has been covered
Even with a Speakon connector, many of the LMII's (mine included) have either a bad or intermittent connection with the Speakon twist lock section of the jack
Using a 1/4" jack on the inner hole works just fine however

wvbass · #13 01-01-2011, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim C

Search; This has been covered
Even with a Speakon connector, many of the LMII's (mine included) have either a bad or intermittent connection with the Speakon twist lock section of the jack
Using a 1/4" jack on the inner hole works just fine however

Thanks, Jim. I've never experienced this with my LMII, and missed the couple threads where this was discussed. Also, I use the 1/4" option as much or more than I use the speakon out, and I always use Neutrik brand connectors, which seems to reduce the likelihood of this being a problem. (I understand it may not eliminate it, though.)

I'm not sure it is fair to say that "many" have this problem, though; from what I could find, it looks to be more common to be a problem with the cable, power, or cabinet. It does sound like there could be something up with the neutrik dual-design connector, though.

To be fair, though, my stepson has a GK head and GK cabs that came with speakon cables. One of the non-neutrik connectors makes intermittent contact when plugged into the amp. Reverse the cable, and all is well.

At any rate, I may shy away from that model neutrik connector when choosing my next amp.

LMII Cutting Out

Youngspanion · #14 01-01-2011, 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim C

Search; This has been covered
Even with a Speakon connector, many of the LMII's (mine included) have either a bad or intermittent connection with the Speakon twist lock section of the jack
Using a 1/4" jack on the inner hole works just fine however

Actually, I went out and bought a speakon cable with Nutrik connectors on each end and it is fine. There is nothing wrong with the speakon Jack on the LMII . Can't use the inner hole and connect to the TC Electronic cab. TC only has speakon.

Thanks.

jmain · #15 01-01-2011, 06:03 PM

I just received my RS210 that comes with the speaker cable w/speakon connectors. I have an LMII. Coincidence?

The cable didn't work either way. A cable I have does work just fine. I haven't opened the connectors to check them.

wvbass · #16 01-01-2011, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Youngspanion

Actually, I went out and bought a speakon cable with Nutrik connectors on each end and it is fine. There is nothing wrong with the speakon Jack on the LMII . Can't use the inner hole and connect to the TC Electronic cab. TC only has speakon.

Thanks.

You can if you use a cable that is quarter inch at one end and speakon at the other.

Glad to see your problem is resolved. It is a shame that not all speakon connectors appear to be compatible with each other.

wvbass · #17 01-01-2011, 06:14 PM

Slightly off topic, how do you like the rs210. Ive been eyeing that cab, but havent got to hear one yet.

Youngspanion · #18 01-01-2011, 06:26 PM

I like it. I used it in rehearsal the other night and although I know that I've heard and liked better, I do like the TC. I remember playing through a Fender Combo with an L2K and I really was happy with that sound and tone with that band. Don't remember the combo unfortunately but I don't think that the room is great sonicly.

Youngspanion · #19 01-01-2011, 06:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wvbass

You can if you use a cable that is quarter inch at one end and speakon at the other.

Glad to see your problem is resolved. It is a shame that not all speakon connectors appear to be compatible with each other.

Ah, yes. Never thought of that. Thanks.

I think it may just be a cheapo connector. What ever. I bought one today at Guitar Ctr. Only they had 10' cables. so I went for 25 bucks. Bought two sets of strings and a 12' instrument cable by Monster for 30 bucks. My ass hurts

Jim C · #20 01-01-2011, 07:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wvbass

I'm not sure it is fair to say that "many" have this problem, though; from what I could find, it looks to be more common to be a problem with the cable, power, or cabinet. It does sound like there could be something up with the neutrik dual-design connector, though.
LMII Cutting Out

Perhaps "many" was too strong
Have read and talked to approx 10 TB'ers with this problem though.
I originally thought the problem must be the way the connector was connected inside the amp.
I bought some brand new Neutrik speakons and made some cables, was on a gig and the amp quite after a few songs; used a spare 1/4 speaker cable to get through the set. The cable was fine and has contiued to work perfectly but only has 1 end that will work on the amp side; this same cable has no problem with any other amps or cabs. I'm guessing the tolerances on the amp side are a bit off; it would work if it were jiggled but was so irratated that I just use 1/4".