Question for all you single 4-10 users......

[FarkusSWR]

For the sake of simplicity and my lower back, I have been looking at single lighter-weight 4-10's. For those of you that use one, which would you recommend, and why? Due to limited selection in my area, the two I have in mind are either a Golight or a GB Uber; I am open to suggestion, though. I am leaning heavily toward the Uber 4-ohm with a Shuttle 9.0.
My only reservation in going this route is have the cab sitting so low to the ground, so to speak. My thought is to make a platform of some type to get it up closer to ear level.
I have full PA support, so no problem there.
Suggestions? Advice?

[chiplexic]

Bergantino AE410 62 lbs.
http://www.bergantino.com/

[bassguppy]

Epifani UL410 - get the older Series 2 with smaller grill holes. weight about 57lbs.

the problem with raising the cab will be a possible sacrafice in low end with the cab coupling with the floor.


Uber 410? never tried it but it seems to be a BIG winner with those who have tried it.

[rpsands]

Genz Neox 212T. Best 4x10 out there

[faulknersj]

Get the GB head and GB 4x10 uber. Great rig man! Only other considerations might be a Shuttle 6.0 or ShuttleMax 6.0. (These would most likely provide Plenty of power (600watts) into a 4ohm enclosure.

[joelb79]

That GB Uber+900 will rock you. I use a Epifani UL-410 series 1 with a LMII 500w head. Everytime i point my cab upwards I loose low end. Its just as easy to hear it down there as well though, but I do miss the stack but not the weight.

[faulknersj]

P.S. I agree with rpsands that the Genz Benz Neox 212T is 'the best 4x10 out there.' He jests of course, but after playing my GB 2x12 for the last year, I really don't miss my 4x10 at all. Funny stuff rpstands!

[Marton]

I love my Epifani UL-410. Light, and sounds huge, but punchy in the same time.

[tfernandez]

just put wheels on the cab and eliminate the weight issue

[Fetusyolk]

ihave two carvin 2x10s so it's kind of the same and even easier on the back. they're ridiculously light

[rpsands]

Originally Posted by tfernandez

just put wheels on the cab and eliminate the weight issue

Wheels don't go up stairs or lift stuff into and out of cars or onto stages for you.

[rpsands]

Originally Posted by faulknersj

P.S. I agree with rpsands that the Genz Benz Neox 212T is 'the best 4x10 out there.' He jests of course, but after playing my GB 2x12 for the last year, I really don't miss my 4x10 at all. Funny stuff rpstands!

It's got all the sound of a 4x10 (low mids for days, nice highs, smooth mids, solid lows) combined with being easier to hear (It's a bit taller) and superior midrange dispersion. Add all those to the same displacement limitations and sensitivity as a high quality 4x10.

Definitely on the short list of things I would consider buying from a vendor.

[BillyIVbass]

Hartke Hydrive 4x10s are reasonable.

Does GK make a 4x10? I test drove their new 1x15 MB neo combo and it was really really light.

[Stereo Joe]

Originally Posted by chiplexic

Bergantino AE410 62 lbs.
http://www.bergantino.com/

+1. Easy load in. Loud as heck. Sounds killer. That's all I need...

[KJung]

Originally Posted by Stereo Joe

+1. Easy load in. Loud as heck. Sounds killer. That's all I need...

Sounds great with the Genz heads also. I love the AE410's footprint also... only 15.5" deep. No problem hearing it at all, due to its nice mid presence, and it kicks HARD. I have the very nice plate/removable castors on mine, and it is a dream to schlepp... easy to wheel with your head and stand on top for a one trip load in, and small and light enough for easy carrying up and down stairs by yourself.

Killer cab. The new AE212 is also great, and like most 212's, will give you about 80% of the volume of a similar quality 410 in a smaller, lighter package (55 pounds, smaller footprint), with a bit smoother, deeper low end and a slightly taller form factor.

[wheelyjoe]

Well I'd say the neodyum cabs from Markbass are prety damn good, i've got the 410 STD HF from them and it's brilliant, incredible cab and very light.

[KJung]

Originally Posted by FarkusSWR

For the sake of simplicity and my lower back, I have been looking at single lighter-weight 4-10's. For those of you that use one, which would you recommend, and why? Due to limited selection in my area, the two I have in mind are either a Golight or a GB Uber; I am open to suggestion, though. I am leaning heavily toward the Uber 4-ohm with a Shuttle 9.0.
My only reservation in going this route is have the cab sitting so low to the ground, so to speak. My thought is to make a platform of some type to get it up closer to ear level.
I have full PA support, so no problem there.
Suggestions? Advice?

To answer your question more directly, the Genz Uber is over 18" deep, and 72 pounds! That's not going to help your back much. Between those two, it would be the GoLight for me... they get very good reviews, and are very lightweight, and relatively small.

If you want to stick with an all Genz rig, IMO, that NeoX212 would be a better bet... nice and punchy and bright, and it will get you to 80% of the output of a good quality 410. The only 'downside' (IMO) to that 212 is that it has that tilt back wheel sort of design, which is not optimal for a one trip load in (i.e., you can't set anything on top of it while rolling). The handle placement is also a bit wanky IMO. I would recommend the new Bergantino AE212 if you were going the 212 route... smaller, amazing sounding, and 'cart friendly'.

Edit: There are a bunch of sound clips of the AE410 and AE212 on my Youtube channel with various heads and instruments if you are interested.

[slick_tu]

Originally Posted by FarkusSWR

My only reservation in going this route is have the cab sitting so low to the ground, so to speak. My thought is to make a platform of some type to get it up closer to ear level.
I have full PA support, so no problem there.

I think the cab has to couple with the floor for the best bass sound. Don't forget that bass frequencies are omnidirectional so the cab shouldn't need to be raised. Maybe others have a little more knowledge on this.

[KJung]

Originally Posted by slick_tu

I think the cab has to couple with the floor for the best bass sound. Don't forget that bass frequencies are omnidirectional so the cab shouldn't need to be raised. Maybe others have a little more knowledge on this.

The lowest freqs are omnidirectional, it is the mids that are directional. While there is an issue with 'mechanical' coupling (i.e., the impact of putting a cab directly on the floor of a hollow wooden stage, for example, that can result in strange things going on), raising a cab a little bit off the floor doesn't really impact 'audio coupling' at all (i.e., the impact of the floor/boundary conditions on the actual sound of the cab).

So, when many say 'they lose low end' when raising or tilting a cab, it is more that they are hearing more of the directional mids, resulting in the perception of loss of low end.

That all being said, a cab that is as tall as a 410 makes most of this a moot point. My 410's all have wheels, which helps with that 'mechanical coupling' issue when you are on those awful hollow stages, and the 410's are tall enough that I hear plenty of the more directional mid response, even when standing right on top of it on small stages (of course, I use plenty of mids in my tone... if you are a scoopity scooper, this can be more of an issue). With a little 112 or whatever, it can be a problem.

Of course, once you get out in front of a cab 5 or more feet, it is all a moot point anyway, since you will hear the full range of the cab with no problem.

IMO and IME!

[RickenBoogie]

Also, consider the Uber 212. It's not the smallest, lightest box in the world, but boy howdy does it pound out the thunder. The Uber 410 is an amazing cab, too, but pretty heavy for a Neo loaded box.