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12-29-2011, 06:47 AM
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I have a (I guess) mid '90s 4x10HE. 200W 8ohm...I am thinking about getting it reconditioned, and I'm trying to find a match for it...same bottom.
Question: how much difference is there between later year HE's (2000's) and what I have? I know the numbers aren't different but...
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12-29-2011, 06:55 AM
|  | Registered User | | Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Davenport, IA | | | I own a 2000-2001 810 and a 1996 810. The difference in the speakers to my ear is slight. their is a hair more high end in the '96 but so slight i could be hearing things. IMO even if you found a later 410 with the same specs it would compliment it very well because both my cabs running sounds fantastic. And not the same with just one or the other. |
12-29-2011, 07:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Mike in Chicago  I have a (I guess) mid '90s 4x10HE. 200W 8ohm...I am thinking about getting it reconditioned, and I'm trying to find a match for it...same bottom.
Question: how much difference is there between later year HE's (2000's) and what I have? I know the numbers aren't different but... | The numbers are different; the later ones are 500W 8ohm. Also, for a time in the 2000s, the cabinets weren't made of solid wood. |
12-29-2011, 08:43 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Davenport, IA | | | Both of my cabs are made of OSB. So I believe they have been like that for longer then just the 2000's |
12-29-2011, 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by ampegfuzz Both of my cabs are made of OSB. So I believe they have been like that for longer then just the 2000's | I think they started using OSB in around 1998. |
12-29-2011, 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Turock I think they started using OSB in around 1998. | I know that at least I started throwing around '98 as the OSB start date because of an OSB '98 810e I had about two years ago. Since then I've heard people mention the change being as early as '96 but don't know anything about that.
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12-29-2011, 08:59 AM
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Endorsing: Ampeg | | Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Apopka, FL | | | A 96 OSB? Hmmm, always thought they made them with plywood back then. Now I'm very confused. The speaker change did happen in 2000, but I'm guessing the crossover point of 4k means the tweeter takes over where the speaker drops off.
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12-29-2011, 09:04 AM
|  | Stuck somewhere in the 90's | | Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Atlanta, GA | | | IME, and from all that I've heard'round here. The OSB cabs(810's) have a darker tone, and seem to roll off the highs a smidge. Which isn't a bad thing for some folks's tonal preference.
From What I've read, it has more to do with the driver that Ampeg was using at that time than the wood the cabs were constructed from as they still had the same internal volume as the plywood cabs.
IMO-still good cabs, just a different sound and different construction material. One winning factor they do have, is You can usually get some awesome deals on'em in the used market. |
12-29-2011, 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by JimmyM A 96 OSB? Hmmm, always thought they made them with plywood back then. Now I'm very confused. The speaker change did happen in 2000, but I'm guessing the crossover point of 4k means the tweeter takes over where the speaker drops off. | Don't take my word for it. I saw some guys throw around '96 in the last few months and it stuck in my mind as a question mark. It was half curiosity driving my mentioning of it. |
12-29-2011, 09:10 AM
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Endorsing: Ampeg | | Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Apopka, FL | | | Well the furthest I've traced OSB back is 98, but it's entirely possible it was earlier. I'd like to know for sure, though.
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12-29-2011, 09:54 AM
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12-29-2011, 09:56 AM
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Endorsing: Ampeg | | Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Apopka, FL | | | Oh yeah, didn't we talk about that cab in PM's? Or am I mistaking you for someone else?
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12-29-2011, 09:57 AM
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12-29-2011, 09:58 AM
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Endorsing Artist: J Worrell Pickups / J Worrell Bass | | Join Date: May 2008 Location: Dayton OH | | Alright, so scratch what I said about '96 cabs then. 
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12-29-2011, 10:00 AM
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Now i didnt just date it just snapped a pic and i dated it some time ago so if i dated it wrong correct me but i remember 1996 and it look to be OSB |
12-29-2011, 10:02 AM
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Endorsing: Ampeg | | Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Apopka, FL | | | "I" would mean 96, and that sure looks a lot more like OSB in that pic than it did in your previous pics. Interesting development.
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12-29-2011, 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by JimmyM that sure looks...like OSB. | It is.  |
12-29-2011, 10:20 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Davenport, IA | | | Yeah, i drove to chicago to get it i was slightly let down because i dated it and thought it to be plywood. It was a good deal and i purchased it anyway. I liked my 2000 cab and figured it still had the "better" speakers. But there is not that big difference sonically in my rig and I run it kinda bright. |
12-29-2011, 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by ampegfuzz But there is not that big difference sonically in my rig and I run it kinda bright. | OSB won't necessarily sound different, but it can, because it's not as stiff as plywood. It certainly isn't as damage resistant as plywood. The only reason to use it is because it's cheap, and if a manufacturer cuts corners there then it's a safe bet they would do so elsewhere. The fact that Ampeg did so was quite surprising, but at least they eventually saw the error of their ways and fixed it. |
12-29-2011, 10:31 AM
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