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[kevinjack]

Hello to all fellow bassists! My current bass set up is an SVT-4Pro with an 810 cab. Now this works pretty well but i've been thinking about going to a different set up. I like a good bit of low end but still a good bit of mid's and a dash of treble here and there in my tone but i don't know if the different set up would give me the same tone or power output. The two cabs i'm thinking about using are Ampegs PN-115HLF and there SVT-410HLF. Now I was thinking I could use the 4Pro's crossover feature and send the low end to the sub and the mid's and treble to the 410. Would this work? Or is there a better solution.

Kindest regards, Kevin.

[Gearhead17]

What do you not like about the 4 PRO and 810? I assume you want more high end and more low end. Or maybe you just want a different tone all together?

I do not recommend going the crossover route for bass tones. 15" speaker boxes are not designed to do more low end than a standard 410. In fact, most 410's can out perform 15's in terms of low end and volume too. I suggest you get two identical 410's and blast them with full range sound. You will have much more headroom using the bridged mono portion of power from the 4PRO (Bridging into a 8ohm load or a 4 ohm load).

[dhomer]

Better solution here... fEARful™ enclosures for bass/drums/keys

[Alex1984]

Originally Posted by Gearhead17

What do you not like about the 4 PRO and 810? I assume you want more high end and more low end. Or maybe you just want a different tone all together?

I do not recommend going the crossover route for bass tones. 15" speaker boxes are not designed to do more low end than a standard 410. In fact, most 410's can out perform 15's in terms of low end and volume too. I suggest you get two identical 410's and blast them with full range sound. You will have much more headroom using the bridged mono portion of power from the 4PRO (Bridging into a 8ohm load or a 4 ohm load).

+1, those are both full-range cabs, don't cross them over.

[Marko5657]

I’d go with the two 15”, better dispersion, probably lighter…

or just enjoy the 810 that's already there

[tekdiver500ft]

The 410HLF has a much broader range than the 15 or the 810. A pair of them will likely get you what you're looking for.

[Sundogue]

Originally Posted by dhomer

Better solution here... fEARful™ enclosures for bass/drums/keys

+ 1,000,000

That ain't your daddy's 15" speaker.

[kevinjack]

Originally Posted by Gearhead17

What do you not like about the 4 PRO and 810? I assume you want more high end and more low end. Or maybe you just want a different tone all together?

I do not recommend going the crossover route for bass tones. 15" speaker boxes are not designed to do more low end than a standard 410. In fact, most 410's can out perform 15's in terms of low end and volume too. I suggest you get two identical 410's and blast them with full range sound. You will have much more headroom using the bridged mono portion of power from the 4PRO (Bridging into a 8ohm load or a 4 ohm load).

well dont get me wrong the 810 is a dream cab but i feel like it offeres great tone only when your within like 10 feet of it and then it just falls apart when your more than 10 feet away. would 2 410's be better? would it have better power output and frequency response ect.. also how would you wire it going from the amp? would you just have one 410 on power amp A and the other on B? or run them in series and why dont you want to use the crossover function?

thanks, kevin

[Gearhead17]

Originally Posted by kevinjack

well dont get me wrong the 810 is a dream cab but i feel like it offeres great tone only when your within like 10 feet of it and then it just falls apart when your more than 10 feet away. would 2 410's be better? would it have better power output and frequency response ect.. also how would you wire it going from the amp? would you just have one 410 on power amp A and the other on B? or run them in series and why dont you want to use the crossover function?

thanks, kevin

If you want a cab that produces sound even further out, might as well buy a PA system. Or you could look into other 410's. The 810e is it's own monster in tone specs and dispersion specs.

Crossover functions on bass gear - very few of the commercial cabinets are designed for splitting signals. You can certainly do it, but almost every bass cab out there can not handle much below 100hz. You use a crossover on a PA system because you have LARGE sub woofers designed to handle those low frequencies. Commercial bass cabs are designed to sound good throughout the bass range - not very strong in the 100hz and below department. You are better off having both cabinets put out low end rather than trying to kill one of them with low end. More speaker area - more tone, more volume.

Hooking the speakers up - Set the 4 PRO to mono bridge and connect it to one 8 ohm 410. To add another cabinet, connect another speaker wire from the back of the first 410 into the second one. Done. Are you using the correctly wired mono-bridging cable? I suggest using speakon cables for all of your connections.

The dispersion characteristics of bass cabs varies greatly - play as much as you can and take advantage of return policies. Try the cabs out on stage for the final verdict. If you need a bass cab that can really push sound out - the Eden 410XLT cabs are great for projecting bass tones. If you are working with a PA system though, you might bug the sound man quickly with a pair of them at higher volumes.

[kevinjack]

Originally Posted by Gearhead17

If you want a cab that produces sound even further out, might as well buy a PA system. Or you could look into other 410's. The 810e is it's own monster in tone specs and dispersion specs.

Crossover functions on bass gear - very few of the commercial cabinets are designed for splitting signals. You can certainly do it, but almost every bass cab out there can not handle much below 100hz. You use a crossover on a PA system because you have LARGE sub woofers designed to handle those low frequencies. Commercial bass cabs are designed to sound good throughout the bass range - not very strong in the 100hz and below department. You are better off having both cabinets put out low end rather than trying to kill one of them with low end. More speaker area - more tone, more volume.

Hooking the speakers up - Set the 4 PRO to mono bridge and connect it to one 8 ohm 410. To add another cabinet, connect another speaker wire from the back of the first 410 into the second one. Done. Are you using the correctly wired mono-bridging cable? I suggest using speakon cables for all of your connections.

The dispersion characteristics of bass cabs varies greatly - play as much as you can and take advantage of return policies. Try the cabs out on stage for the final verdict. If you need a bass cab that can really push sound out - the Eden 410XLT cabs are great for projecting bass tones. If you are working with a PA system though, you might bug the sound man quickly with a pair of them at higher volumes.

you sir are a genius! i do use a pa system at the place where our band practices and it works its just the tone is flat! and there isn't to much depth to it. i was talking more about onstage feel.

i am also using correct speakon cables. would i need to make another mono bridge cable to go from the first cab to the second? also when i bought my amp it didn't come with the mono bridge cable so i had to make one. the wiring i have is on the amp side +1 -1 and on the cab side +1 +2 this is correct right? also i thought the SVT-410 ran at 4 ohms.

thanks kevin

[masonsjax]

FEARful cabs will give you what you seek, and then some. The dispersion, clarity, accurate reproduction of the entire frequency range, size, weight, sensitivity, power handling, and flexibility are all superb.

[BassmanPaul]

Originally Posted by kevinjack

the amp side +1 -1 and on the cab side +1 +2 this is correct right? also i thought the SVT-410 ran at 4 ohms.

thanks kevin

No. The cab end should always be +1 and -1. Amp end for bridge is normally +1 and +2. Some amps have a dedicated socket for bridge and they are generally wired +1 and -1.

[Gearhead17]

Originally Posted by BassmanPaul

No. The cab end should always be +1 and -1. Amp end for bridge is normally +1 and +2. Some amps have a dedicated socket for bridge and they are generally wired +1 and -1.

Paul is correct - that is how I had it.

[Gearhead17]

Originally Posted by kevinjack

you sir are a genius! i do use a pa system at the place where our band practices and it works its just the tone is flat! and there isn't to much depth to it. i was talking more about onstage feel.

i am also using correct speakon cables. would i need to make another mono bridge cable to go from the first cab to the second? also when i bought my amp it didn't come with the mono bridge cable so i had to make one. the wiring i have is on the amp side +1 -1 and on the cab side +1 +2 this is correct right? also i thought the SVT-410 ran at 4 ohms.

thanks kevin

The 410hlf is a 4 ohm cab. Two of those would have to be run in the normal stereo option - two of those would equal 2 ohms which the 4 PRO can not do in Bridge mode.

Special speakon from the amp to first cab (as corrected by bassmanPaul), regular wired speakon from first cab to second cab for a total of 8 ohms or 4 ohms.

I used to own two 410hlf's and promptly got rid of them - the midrange content on them is not very good at all. The low mids are still there (around 200hz), but content between 500hz to 800hz seems to be absent. The cabs do not growl very well either. The low end on those cabs is amazing though. The cabs did not serve me well and the massive low end I had with them was not helpful in a live situation. They do work for some people though. Especially those who dislike midrange and want to really feel their bass lines as they play.

"FEARful cabs" - I suggest giving them a serious look. They are designed differently from what I hear and they are not going to do what commercial bass cabs do (GK, Ampeg and so on). I have no experience with them; that is about all I know from looking on this site.

Glad I could help.

[pablomigraine]

Originally Posted by kevinjack

Hello to all fellow bassists! My current bass set up is an SVT-4Pro with an 810 cab. Now this works pretty well but i've been thinking about going to a different set up. I like a good bit of low end but still a good bit of mid's and a dash of treble here and there in my tone but i don't know if the different set up would give me the same tone or power output. The two cabs i'm thinking about using are Ampegs PN-115HLF and there SVT-410HLF. Now I was thinking I could use the 4Pro's crossover feature and send the low end to the sub and the mid's and treble to the 410. Would this work? Or is there a better solution.

Kindest regards, Kevin.

From this exact setup (and having owned many like it... including SVP-Pro or SVP-CL into a power amp) I switched to an all Genz Benz rig... specifically the Streamliner 900 and the Uber410. This rig gave me all the low end, more in fact, all the tubey mojo.... and shed the overscooped, too clanky and treble-shy shortcomings inherent in all Ampegs IMHO... and about a third the weight. The UB cabinets are so loud I felt no loss of stage volume going from 810 to 410.... and I always felt the UB410 projected really well. Great rig.

[staindbass]

Originally Posted by kevinjack

well dont get me wrong the 810 is a dream cab but i feel like it offeres great tone only when your within like 10 feet of it and then it just falls apart when your more than 10 feet away. would 2 410's be better? would it have better power output and frequency response ect.. also how would you wire it going from the amp? would you just have one 410 on power amp A and the other on B? or run them in series and why dont you want to use the crossover function?

thanks, kevin

i do not think any of the stuff suggested will work much better than what you already have. its all normal stuff. the 4x10's wont be any louder 10 feet away. you have to move up to 2 svt cabs if you hope to hear yourself well 10 feet away at a loud gig. you can only go so far with store bought bass amps. you can pile up more speakers but the fidelity never gets better. it might be time to step up to prosound pa gear. very expensive. above all, try before you buy.

[JimmyM]

Falls apart at 10 ft? Sheesh, how loud are you? I've filled 1000 seat theaters with bass using only an 810 and no PA for it.

[kevinjack]

Originally Posted by staindbass

i do not think any of the stuff suggested will work much better than what you already have. its all normal stuff. the 4x10's wont be any louder 10 feet away. you have to move up to 2 svt cabs if you hope to hear yourself well 10 feet away at a loud gig. you can only go so far with store bought bass amps. you can pile up more speakers but the fidelity never gets better. it might be time to step up to prosound pa gear. very expensive. above all, try before you buy.

if i was gonna get pro gear what are some good brands to get?

[will33]

Originally Posted by JimmyM

Falls apart at 10 ft? Sheesh, how loud are you? I've filled 1000 seat theaters with bass using only an 810 and no PA for it.

+1

Sure something isn't wrong with your amp or cab? Where are you listening to it. Could be cancellations/room issues. You scooping out mids at the eq?

[kevinjack]

Originally Posted by will33

+1

Sure something isn't wrong with your amp or cab? Where are you listening to it. Could be cancellations/room issues. You scooping out mids at the eq?

im pretty sure something isnt wrong with it i have my 4pro running through a power conditioner and im getting enough power to it. no burning smells coming from it have it in mono bridge mode with a mono bridge cable wired +1 +2 on the amp side and +1 -1 on the cab side. im using an svt 810 cab. i dont scoop out the mids i actually add mids to my tone (around 900 Hz and also adding treble at 5 and 8 KHz.). i have the bass nob at about 3 o'clock position my mids are right around a little more than half and my treble is right at half. my mid tone control is at 3.