recommendation on speaker replacement

bossrhino44 · #1 03-25-2011, 02:13 PM

I have an old GK 400RBIII 210 combo amp(8ohms)that has grown a lil tired! Love the amp but its starting to fart a little. I run it with a 210 BLX ext cab(4ohms total). Cant seem to find much in 10's at 16ohms! What do you guys think would be a good replacement? The paragons from GK parts are quite costly and was hoping someone could recommend something better for me! I just need 2 for the combo,the ext cab is fine. Does anyone know anything about the celestion TF1020's? cant find much info on them! Thanks all!..........btw i play motown to heavy rock and everything inbetween.

bossrhino44 · #2 03-25-2011, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by bossrhino44

I have an old GK 400RBIII 210 combo amp(8ohms)that has grown a lil tired! Love the amp but its starting to fart a little. I run it with a 210 BLX ext cab(4ohms total). Cant seem to find much in 10's at 16ohms! What do you guys think would be a good replacement? The paragons from GK parts are quite costly and was hoping someone could recommend something better for me! I just need 2 for the combo,the ext cab is fine. Does anyone know anything about the celestion TF1020's? cant find much info on them! Thanks all!..........btw i play motown to heavy rock and everything inbetween.

28 views and no suggestions?

bassix67 · #3 03-25-2011, 05:46 PM

Call GK and find out what was the OEM speaker in it. Avatar has a clearance on those celest's right now.

Sorry ! Find out who makes the paragons for GK. The maker might have a replacement for it.

GrowlerBox · #4 03-25-2011, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by bossrhino44

28 views and no suggestions?

If you do a search on the other 1000 or so threads started on this topic, you'll see that the initial answer is always the same -- in order to make a valid suggestion, the precise internal dimensions of the box and the ports are required in order for someone with the know-how, time and inclination to do the modelling for you.

Or, start with WinISD (apparently the newest alpha version rather than the beta), and go from there.

jmarcus2 · #5 03-25-2011, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by bossrhino44

I have an old GK 400RBIII 210 combo amp(8ohms)that has grown a lil tired! Love the amp but its starting to fart a little. I run it with a 210 BLX ext cab(4ohms total). Cant seem to find much in 10's at 16ohms! What do you guys think would be a good replacement? The paragons from GK parts are quite costly and was hoping someone could recommend something better for me! I just need 2 for the combo,the ext cab is fine. Does anyone know anything about the celestion TF1020's? cant find much info on them! Thanks all!..........btw i play motown to heavy rock and everything inbetween.

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bossrhino44 · #6 03-25-2011, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by GrowlerBox

If you do a search on the other 1000 or so threads started on this topic, you'll see that the initial answer is always the same -- in order to make a valid suggestion, the precise internal dimensions of the box and the ports are required in order for someone with the know-how, time and inclination to do the modelling for you.

Or, start with WinISD (apparently the newest alpha version rather than the beta), and go from there.

I have used the search function! It hasnt helped in finding many 16ohm 10's! Any input on the celestion TF1020?

lbwdog · #7 03-25-2011, 06:31 PM

You can use two 4 ohm drivers in series. Might be easier to find.

BTW...a long time ago, I read that GK makes their own speakers.

bossrhino44 · #8 03-25-2011, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by lbwdog

You can use two 4 ohm drivers in series. Might be easier to find.

BTW...a long time ago, I read that GK makes their own speakers.

I guess you didnt read my whole post but thanks for your response.

I guess i'll read up on wiring in series and how that would work. Thx

GrowlerBox · #9 03-25-2011, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by bossrhino44

I have used the search function! It hasnt helped in finding many 16ohm 10's! Any input on the celestion TF1020?

Only that they're 8 ohm drivers according to Celestion's spec sheet. And they have an Xmax of 2 mm, which is on the low side for a bass driver.

lbwdog · #10 03-25-2011, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by bossrhino44

I guess you didnt read my whole post but thanks for your response.

I guess i'll read up on wiring in series and how that would work. Thx

Well, I thought I did, but are you wanting to keep the combo at 8 Ohms? If so, two 4 ohms in series, or two 16 ohms in parallel will do it.

Also, I wasn't clear whether your extension cab is a 4 Ohm cab, or if you were saying that both cabs were 4 ohms total.

Bass_Pounder · #11 03-25-2011, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by bossrhino44

I guess you didnt read my whole post but thanks for your response.

I guess i'll read up on wiring in series and how that would work. Thx

What would "reading your whole post" have to do with anything that was recommended.

All that is stated is that you need 2 speakers, for a total of 8 ohms - AND that there is not alot out there in 16 ohm speakers.

*IF* you knew what you were doing, suggesting 4 ohm speakers wired in series is a valid suggestion.

Ken R · #12 03-25-2011, 07:07 PM

I have the RB1001 2x10 combo. I bought it used. It had a replacement driver in it. I looked on the GK website about the orignal drivers. Not available. I called Eminence. They said to use a Delta. I found out it already had one. He said it was the closest match for the orignal driver.

Ken R

Bass_Pounder · #13 03-25-2011, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by GrowlerBox

If you do a search on the other 1000 or so threads started on this topic, you'll see that the initial answer is always the same -- in order to make a valid suggestion, the precise internal dimensions of the box and the ports are required in order for someone with the know-how, time and inclination to do the modelling for you.

Or, start with WinISD (apparently the newest alpha version rather than the beta), and go from there.

Thought I would quote this so that the OP may actually read it this time.

The OP's last response to this suggestion was...........

Originally Posted by bossrhino44
I have used the search function! It hasnt helped in finding many 16ohm 10's! Any input on the celestion TF1020?

FWIW - 16 ohm 10's has NOTHING to do with the proper way to go about this.

Ken R · #14 03-25-2011, 07:40 PM

Delta driver

OEM Driver

FWIW

bossrhino44 · #15 03-25-2011, 07:45 PM

Thanks everyone!

bossrhino44 · #16 03-25-2011, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Bass_Pounder

What would "reading your whole post" have to do with anything that was recommended.

All that is stated is that you need 2 speakers, for a total of 8 ohms - AND that there is not alot out there in 16 ohm speakers.

*IF* you knew what you were doing, suggesting 4 ohm speakers wired in series is a valid suggestion.

*IF* I knew what i was doing i wouldnt have asked for help!

billfitzmaurice · #17 03-25-2011, 08:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Ken R

I called Eminence. They said to use a Delta.

Only because it's the only 16 ohm ten they make. It has only 1.8mm xmax, so it won't take more than 50 watts without farting out. That, along with its high Fs, make it unsuitable for electric bass. As for the mentioned Celestion, the same applies, it has specs unsuitable for electric bass.

Ken R · #18 03-25-2011, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by billfitzmaurice

Only because it's the only 16 ohm ten they make. It has only 1.8mm xmax, so it won't take more than 50 watts without farting out. That, along with it's high Fs, make it unsuitable for electric bass. As for the mentioned Celestion, the same applies, it has specs unsuitable for electric bass.

Well Bill,
What do you recommend? I can't seem to buy the orignal drivers from GK. Mine seem to be holding up fairly well, but the remaining OEM one shows signs of fatigue. It still gets pretty darn loud without farting.

Ken R

Bass_Pounder · #19 03-25-2011, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by bossrhino44

*IF* I knew what i was doing i wouldnt have asked for help!

Yeah, but YOU are the one that came back at lbwdog saying "I guess you didnt read my whole post but thanks for your response." like he did something wrong when he actually gave you a workable solution.

Ya get what you give - and frankly these type posts pop up at least a couple of times a week.

billfitzmaurice · #20 03-25-2011, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Ken R

Well Bill,
What do you recommend? I can't seem to buy the orignal drivers from GK. Mine seem to be holding up fairly well, but the remaining OEM one shows signs of fatigue. It still gets pretty darn loud without farting.

Ken R

I can't recommend anything 16 ohm, as there aren't any. Even then I couldn't recommend anything without the requisite exact interior cab dimensions including ports and the amp power rating. And without knowing the specs on the drivers already in there I couldn't say if anything else would be better. BTW, the pictured OEM is not even close to a Delta, as it has a cast frame, not stamped. It might be a Gamma Pro, which was discontinued years ago.