Rehersal/Small Gig Rig

#1 06-05-2010, 07:26 AM

Putting a rehersal/small gig rig together. Would appreciate some feedback.

My plan:

- Little Mark III or Little Mark 800

- Two 8 ohm Avatar SB112 Deltas. (use 1 for rehersals, 2 for small gigs)

Specs:

Mark III: 300W RMS @ 8 ohm, 500W RMS @ 4 ohm

800: 500W RMS @ 8 ohm, 800W RMS @ 4 ohm

I figured the Mark III would work ok with 2 cabs, but the 800 would sure give some nice power for a small, 2-cab rig. The Avatar 8 ohm 112 cabs can probably handle 400 watts each. I've always run off the theory that it's better to have more than enough wattage going into a cab than too little.

Anyways: not sure which head to get.

Additionally, how am I going to run 2 cabs off a LM? I only see one speakon out and one 1/4 inch. Do I daisy chain, or do I run 1 cab off speakon and 1 off of 1/4 inch?

tks.

Blues Bass 2 · #2 06-05-2010, 09:37 AM

If you get the Avatar cabinets get the neo ones , not the Delta 12lf despite the higher thermal wattage rating .The 2512 neos will handle just as much power in those cabinets ,have better mids and save you some weight . I had a pair of the SB112s with the older Delta 12lf and they were a very good cabinet but a little shy in the mids .

I use an LMII and it's got a lot of power and great tone . It has as much power as I need and we play pretty much bigger venues and outside festivals . I use it with my 8 ohm 310 cabinet at some gigs and it has enough power like that but it really shines with my 112 cab added on . I can't imagine a gig that the LMII wouldn't have enough power for me . The two guitar players in my band use Fender Hot Rod Devilles ,a 410 and a 112 and our drummer plays fairly loud . We play mostly 70s/80s rock and some blues and a few rockabilly tunes .

#3 06-05-2010, 10:38 AM

OK. Tks!

shoot-r · #4 06-05-2010, 11:56 AM

[quote=jhan;9224573]Putting a rehersal/small gig rig together. Would appreciate some feedback.

My plan:

- Little Mark III or Little Mark 800

- Two 8 ohm Avatar SB112 Deltas. (use 1 for rehersals, 2 for small gigs)

Specs:

Mark III: 300W RMS @ 8 ohm, 500W RMS @ 4 ohm

800: 500W RMS @ 8 ohm, 800W RMS @ 4 ohm

I had the same plan, just alittle different approach.
I'm gigging with two Avatar Neo 210 cabinets, stacked as a vertical 410, driven with a G.K. MB2-500 head.
Use one cab for rehearsals/small gigs, both cabs when more volume and coverage is needed.
It's worked out great!!!

4Mal · #5 06-05-2010, 01:37 PM

Nice cab. I used one with the Gk MB2-500 and liked that combo a lot. I like the GK 'presence' a bit more than the Mark bass stuff but that's a matter of taste...

JimmyM · #6 06-05-2010, 01:58 PM

never would i get an 800w amp to work with two 112's. a 112 won't take anywhere close to 400w, at least most of the small 112's i've seen won't.

jtc_hunter · #7 06-05-2010, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by JimmyM

never would i get an 800w amp to work with two 112's. a 112 won't take anywhere close to 400w, at least most of the small 112's i've seen won't.

+1 , check my signature

#8 06-05-2010, 07:03 PM

Got an LMIII and a Markbass 115 today. Should be fine for now.

Blues Bass 2 · #9 06-05-2010, 09:09 PM

Cool , you'll love that LMIII . Which 15 cab did you get ?

#10 06-05-2010, 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Blues Bass 2

Cool , you'll love that LMIII . Which 15 cab did you get ?

The Traveller 151P. But I think I might exchange it for the Standard 151HR so I can pair it later with a 104HR and forego the 150 lb fridge route forever and be DONE with it. Seems like the 151HR is made to be paired with with 104HR. Do you think the 151P would pair ok with the 104HR? Seems like they would stack a bit awkward.

JimmyM · #11 06-05-2010, 10:22 PM

I've heard them together and it works together better than most 410/115 stacks, but it doesn't sound as good as two 104 hr's.

#12 06-06-2010, 12:36 AM

Two 104 HR's would probably have more punch and clarity, and of course they'd be pushing more air - so that's more volume. I was considering pairing one 104HR with the 151 Traveller mostly because this particular 15 seems to do mids better than most others I've tried. It's also strategic; the 15 would be small enough for me to one-hand to rehersals, and the 410 would round it out nice for larger sized gigs. I can't see the pair not giving me enough volume unless I'm playing an arena show or something.

To tell you the truth, I've found most 115/410 combos to be a tad gummy sounding. I've not heard this about MB 115/410 combos, though.

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Originally Posted by JimmyM

I've heard them together and it works together better than most 410/115 stacks, but it doesn't sound as good as two 104 hr's.

JimmyM · #13 06-06-2010, 01:10 AM

gummy is a good word. that may be because you can introduce phasing issues that gum up the world when you mismatch cabs like that. some care, some don't. i care deeply.

#14 06-06-2010, 08:01 AM

That's what surprised me a lot in the opinions I've heard re: Markbass 115/410 combos. Pretty much everyone has said, 'Not the same/as good as an 810 or twp 410's, but not bad either. Surprising amount of 'play' between the cabs, blah blah. Having heard the combination live in a rock setting once about three feet from the stage, I was surprised. I've never really liked most other 410/115 setups. IMO, Ampeg has always been underwhelming in this sense, Trace Elliot was blah, GK I had nothing but hatred for, Eden was a little better, etc, etc. Could be that the MarKbass 115's are just very well engineered for this kind of thing. I used to look at MarkBass stuff like it was pretty expensive, but when I consider this, I think it's a pretty good buy.

Really, it's just that . . . well, I like the idea of carrying a little 37 lb 15 in one hand to practice, and then adding a 410 for gigs. A 15 in my car, carrying up and down stairs etc, (I live in the greater metro NYC area, and there are ALWAYS stairs) vs. a 410 makes a difference. Plus, I could get a 410 and a 210, and be completely modular - good for small to large gigs. In a world of stairs and scarce parking, I'm digging this modular thing.

On another note: While it's not the exact sound I like, I was always surprised by the usable sound from MarkBass amps immediately upon plugging in. I find fery few amps to have this quality - even 'top-of-the-line' stuff. I sensed a bit of a mid-hump with everything flat, but I know this works well in a mix -especially with most rock music. That, and the size, its what drew me to the LMIII.

Anyways . . . maybe I can think of an even longer response

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Originally Posted by JimmyM

gummy is a good word. that may be because you can introduce phasing issues that gum up the world when you mismatch cabs like that. some care, some don't. i care deeply.

Bass Junkie · #15 06-06-2010, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by JimmyM

never would i get an 800w amp to work with two 112's. a 112 won't take anywhere close to 400w, at least most of the small 112's i've seen won't.

I push my Berg HT112ER all day long with 800 watts and they don't even break a sweat.

JimmyM · #16 06-06-2010, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Bass Junkie

I push my Berg HT112ER all day long with 800 watts and they don't even break a sweat.

then you must have more good sense than most because the ht112er is only rated for 300w.

Bass Junkie · #17 06-06-2010, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by JimmyM

then you must have more good sense than most because the ht112er is only rated for 300w.

I guess so, but I know a cab has its limits. I've been using high power amps with small cabs for years with few problems, but the HT112ER handles high power and puts out more volume than any other small cab I've owned. I've had my CA9 bridged into one cab and it is amazing how much it can take.