replacing components in eden 210-xlt

[tedcrop]

cabinet has blown speakers and I have stripped everything out.

Can someone recommend the favorite options for replacement speakers? Playing rock and I will not be replacing the horn.

Also can someone explain to me why if its so important to have low guage speaker connections, the wires inside the cabinet are so tiny?

I was thinking about wiring 2 8ohm 10s in parallel and adding a speakon connector and being done.

[eastcoasteddie]

Everyone will just about tell you to either recone the original speakers, try to buy OEM replcements, or advise you to use a program (WinSD ?) that will help you calculate what speaker specifications are best for your cab (internal volume and type of porting) so that you can pick a viable replacement.

As far as wiring...the higher the gauge number, the thinner the wire. 18 gauge is thinner than 12 gauge. Many cabs seem to have thin internal wiring. Whenever I do any kind of rewiring to a cab, I'll usually upgrade the wiring, depending on how thin the orignals are. The wiring in my SWR Goliath II cabs was 18 gauge, I installed 14 gauge wiring, for peace of mind. If my speaker cable from amp-to-cab is 14 gauge, why shouldn't my speaker wiring be 14 gauge? (or at least 16 gauge, since the power is being split to multiple drivers after the connection...but definitley AWG 14 for a single-driver cab).

Adding speakon connectors is a good idea, although probably unnecessary. I did it to 3 of my cabs, though, because I wanted to.

[jokerjkny]

what eddie says is true...

seems like you're a guitar player? bass cabs are nothing like guitar cabs, where you can mix and match to whatever you feel like. like eddie is alluding to, cabs, speakers, ports, horns, tweeters, and even the inner insulation all work together as a unit to give the cab a certain sound. but also, because the cab has been designed w/ a certain sound in mind, any differing part might cause uncontrollable sonic aberrations that can just sound plain crappy and/or annoy the rest of the band as well as yourself to no end. sure you might find something that does work, but from what i've been told, its complete hit or miss.

[Petebass]

Originally Posted by jokerjkny

, cabs, speakers, ports, horns, tweeters, and even the inner insulation all work together as a unit to give the cab a certain sound. but also, because the cab has been designed w/ a certain sound in mind, any differing part might cause uncontrollable sonic aberrations that can just sound plain crappy and/or annoy the rest of the band as well as yourself to no end. sure you might find something that does work, but from what i've been told, its complete hit or miss.

Yes but we have an advantage in this case. I used to own one of these cabs and my bench testing showed the ports were tuned to 38Hz. If you measure the internal volume of the cabinet (i.e. the area inside the shelf porting), you'll then have 2 of the most important pieces of information required to help you search for appropriate replacement speakers.

[FuzzBoxVoodoo]

There was a XLT on Ebay a couple of months ago with a set of Eminence Legend BP102 in it if I recall correctly and he stated that they sounded better than the originals for what thats worth,he seemed pretty honest when I PMed him about it.
I will say that I see ALOT of Eden xlt 2x10 with blown speakers though.
If mine ever blow then I would be tempted to put a set of the Avatar Neo's in the cab andd see how it sounds.

[tedcrop]

Thanks, those were recommended
Eminence Legend BP102

Also I looked at the specs of the cabinet that eden provided:

Eden Cabinet
Freq. Response 48hz - 14khz ±2dB
Sensitivity 103dB SPL@1W1M
4.76 cu. ft.

BP102
Frequency Response 40Hz - 2.0kHz
Sensitivity (1W/1m) SPL 92dB
Rec. Enclosure Volume(Vented) .9-2.7cu. ft./25-75 Liter
Resonant Frequency (fs) 35 Hz

Petebass also mentioned that the ports were tuned to 38hz is that the resonant frequency of the cabinet?

How about the BP102 based on this information?

[Petebass]

Originally Posted by FuzzBoxVoodoo

There was a XLT on Ebay a couple of months ago with a set of Eminence Legend BP102 in it if I recall correctly and he stated that they sounded better than the originals for what thats worth,he seemed pretty honest when I PMed him about it.

hmmm.... if by "better" he means, more lows but less volume, then he wouldn't be wrong. Sounds to me like he should have bought an Acme B2 in the first place. The 210XLT was a poor choice if that's the sort of sound he prefers.

Originally Posted by FuzzBoxVoodoo

I will say that I see ALOT of Eden xlt 2x10 with blown speakers though.

This is true, but have you ever wondered why the 410, which uses the same drivers, doesn't seem to have the same problem? I don't know how it happened, but the 210XLT has become the cab that a lot of people buy because it's rumoured to be able to keep up with some 410's. When I had mine, I can't tell you how many people tried to tell me I could use it on it's own at gigs where, to be frank, a 210 was never going to be enough. "Oh but it's an Eden, it'll cope". So I tried it, and they were WRONG. It's a 210 like any other which no matter how much you will it, can not defy the laws of physics.

Which brings me to the Eden specs. -2dB at 48Hz is doable, but not at 103dB sensitivity. Sorry but Eden are well known for exagerating their specs. I measured my cab and it was -3dB at 62Hz at an efficiency of closer to 99dB. Trouble is if they published those specs honestly while no other speaker manufacturer is being as honest, their specs look bad by comparison. So eden do what they all do and exagerate...... which probably contributes to the phenomenon above where the perception of the 210 as some sort of supercab leads to many speaker failures.

[FuzzBoxVoodoo]

I would never feel comfortable attempting to use my xlt 2x10 as a standalone,even though it does have a hump in the midrange they just dont seem to go as loud as the Avatar neo 2x10 that I owned.
I really like the color of the Eden cabs and that is why I keep the Eden 2x10 to pair it with my Trace Elliot 1x15.