RH450 + RS210 - Not Loud Enough

[dannster]

Here is what you need to do:

In the manual - Page 9.

The preset level in shift mode. shift then turn the tubetone knob clockwise. It adjusts the preset and memory levels. It will get louder. And of course a 4 ohm load via another cabinet or 4 ohm cab will let you take full advantage of what the 450 has on tap. TC will stand behind 3 of there 8 ohm cabs run with this too.

[guy n. cognito]

Originally Posted by Tractorr

That is why I said "around"

The point is the OP is not getting full wattage with a single 8ohm cab (to the best of my knowledge there is no 4 ohm version of the RS210).

The RH450 despite the actual rating should be loud enough.

236 is, in no way, around 450.

Originally Posted by Musicman20

Add another 210


Ignore the wattage argument. It happens everytime a TC thread pops up.

That amp is very very loud.

It appears to be loud due to massive amounts of compression and other tricks.

If you want to keep your head, then add another cab, and your volume issues should improve.

[darius8]

Originally Posted by guy n. cognito

......

......If you want to keep your head, then add another cab, and your volume issues should improve.

Or, you can get a used power amp and cab and D.I. out from the RH450.

[BigDave16]

Simple. You aren't moving enough air.

Technically, the guitar, snare drum and cymbals are relatively close in frequency and will appear to be louder because they are easier for people to hear. If you were to take a Sound Pressure Level reading, you would find that, although a distorted guitar may sound louder, it really isn't.

Assuming the RS210 is 8 ohms (no reason to think otherwise) and you like its tone, I would suggest getting the matching 4x10 cabinet in the 8 ohm variety. You can stack them at larger venues at run your head at 4 ohms and be a plenty loud.

[CL400Peavey]

Originally Posted by BigDave16

Assuming the RS210 is 8 ohms (no reason to think otherwise) and you like its tone, I would suggest getting the matching 4x10 cabinet in the 8 ohm variety. You can stack them at larger venues at run your head at 4 ohms and be a plenty loud.

Pairing and 8 ohm 210 and 410 is a mistake.

If you like the sound of your current 210 you can add two more for a hefty volume increase.

[DougD]

Originally Posted by pedro

Isn't it odd that whenever somebody is getting drowned out that the solution is for that person to turn up rather than have everyone else turn down?

+ to this
And as most have said, add a second cab if you want to compete. But IMHO, you really shouldn't have to if you are playing with musicians and not boneheads

[DougD]

Originally Posted by CL400Peavey

Pairing and 8 ohm 210 and 410 is a mistake.

If you like the sound of your current 210 you can add two more for a hefty volume increase.

Not.
I did it a lot, and it sounded great.

[dmusic148]

Originally Posted by guy n. cognito

It appears to be loud due to massive amounts of compression and other tricks.

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Well, if it APPEARS to be loud, it's, ummm,..... loud,........ right? : )

More speakers.

[dmusic148]

Originally Posted by DougD

Not.
I did it a lot, and it sounded great.

It can work. Been there. Best to rewire the 2x10 to 16 ohms.

[arai]

Originally Posted by dmusic148

Well, if it APPEARS to be loud, it's, ummm,..... loud,........ right? : )

lol

Originally Posted by dmusic148

It can work. Been there. Best to rewire the 2x10 to 16 ohms.

Not a bad idea

[Stumbo]

Buy some ear plugs.

Buy another 2x10 and stack both vertically.

Add TBr fdeck's HPF(hi pass filter)-Pre to remove speaker noise below 35hz and adjustable to 140hz for the venue.
Also, make sure your compression is set just right for your setup.

With your Big Al, you should be killing it.

[Downunderwonder]

That amp has all the highpassing it needs, and some you don't, already built in.

It doesn't help that the guitar amp is aimed direct at camera.

It sounds like the bass cab is badly placed with respect to the walls. You have to be tucked in the corner or 8ft from it, against the wall or 8ft from it too.

Adding a 2nd 2x10 is going to make you fuller sounding. I would be holding back on the loud knob though. Overall it's a bit of a racket. Your singer is having difficulty pitching himself over it. One would hope you guys can turn it all down some so he can hear himself and be more tuneful.

Earplugs are necessary or you will be doing damage.

[lloydage]

Thanks for all your advice...

Yep my band is bloody loud - This was the guitarist and drummer playing quieter after I had asked them too as well!?!?!

Its interesting that everyone seems to be recommending a 2nd RS210 as opposed to getting a RS212 which of course is what TC recommends.

Cheers
Lloyd

[Downunderwonder]

More is always louder. Louder is always "better", proven in many a lab experiment. This is borne out by some TB TC users who have reported that RS212 + RS210 is their preferred combination.

The bassist standing near the mixed rig gets an overwhelming amount of highs and mids from the top cab only and so long as the lows are in phase he's in heaven. Out front any misphasing of the mids and highs is destructive to tone.

Maybe the 212 and 210 play together perfectly, but unlikely, whereas two of the 210 is guaranteed, hence the recommendation. It's not like you need to wring out every last decibel in the overall scheme of things.

[CL400Peavey]

Originally Posted by DougD

Not.
I did it a lot, and it sounded great.

Well lets look at the arguments:

Power handling discrepancies:

Not a problem I guess with either the 750 or 450. 236 watts isnt going to push those cabs hard enough to damage them.

Phase issues:

Hard to say, could be fine in some rooms. More consistent results will be had with matching speakers.

Sensitivity discrepancies:

The 410 will be a more sensitive cab than the 210. Both of them will be fed the same amount of power, so the 410 will be kicking out more sound. At such low power maybe this doesnt become an issue.

If the OP is going to get a 410, he would have even better results using two.

[PlungerModerno]

Originally Posted by pedro

Isn't it odd that whenever somebody is getting drowned out that the solution is for that person to turn up rather than have everyone else turn down?

Indeed. I know that the volume options in small/medium venues are typically set by the acoustic instruments, esp. the drums, and the rest of the band may be turning up to hear themselves alongside the heavy handed drummer. Get that drum level down and one might stand a chance of overall balance with the RH450 and the 210.

For venues that actually need lots of volume you could see a second cab (preferably a similar 210) as a sound option.
I suspect the type of act, as shown in the clip, aren't using sub lows or doom tunings so the OP shouldn't need a 1515/6/1 and a 2KW poweramp to get heard. AFAIK of course!

I'm using the GK mb fusion 500. into a barefaced Compact (115).
Very loud, 350W+ into an 8ohm cab, so far haven't got it all the way up (the cab's recommended power handling is 600W RMS, so it's not for fear of the driver)

[obimark]

Here is something way CHEAPER, tell your guitarist to TURN down his bass knob.Period. He is walking all over your frequencies, with that bass heavy tone. Guaranteed you will be able to hear better,
however your drummer is a NO-Dynamic Pounder. There is no cure, he CAN"T and Won't learn to play lightly at times, all he can do is POUND. I know, because my old band had one as well. Move ALONG.

[guy n. cognito]

Originally Posted by darius8

Or, you can get a used power amp and cab and D.I. out from the RH450.

Nope. Adding more power to a small cab is rarely the answer. If you're gigging in a loud band, you need to move more air.

[guy n. cognito]

Originally Posted by dmusic148

Well, if it APPEARS to be loud, it's, ummm,..... loud,........ right? : )

More speakers.

Sure, if you want all of the dynamics of your playing to be clipped, simply to pretend to be louder...........right?

[lebrett]

+1 on adding a cab. You need to push more air.