Running a 1x12/Tube Head at 75-100 watts.....

[duderus]

Running a 1x12/Vintage Tube Head at 75-100 watts....

I Don't Have a PA to plug into. What are some tips (mixing amps, mic the cap to effects loop of another amp... etc..) way to amplify the tone louder

Simply put I want more watts from my gem. Thank u.

[B-string]

If you are just wanting more sound output....GET MORE SPEAKERS!
Seriously I am not joking. Watts are not the answer.

[duderus]

Originally Posted by B-string

If you are just wanting more sound output....GET MORE SPEAKERS!
Seriously I am not joking. Watts are not the answer.

I figured that all....

Just thought there would be another way...

What about Sending a DI with post tube tone? Do you know how that countrymen Type 85 works or something else? Pretty much sending a DI Post preamp, to board on a vintage amp?

Thanks for ur time.

[chaosMK]

Make sure you are using a loud 1x12. My Mesa PH is probably one of the louder/bigger sounding ones out there and there are other good ones. Sometimes a clean boost in the FX loop can give you more clean output if that is what you are looking for.

[B-string]

The 85 samples a signal from parallel jacks (select speaker to set the internal gain). This would be a good choice if you are happy with your stage volume and just want pre-colored signal from your amp (connected to a cab also) to a PA.

[duderus]

Originally Posted by B-string

The 85 samples a signal from parallel jacks (select speaker to set the internal gain). This would be a good choice if you are happy with your stage volume and just want pre-colored signal from your amp (connected to a cab also) to a PA.

So I would connect the speaker out to the 85, then to the cab? And your saying mic the cab?

Just trying to figure this out. I am a Novice to amps. I used solid state my whole life and I just fixed my bass tube amp and LOVE it. Thanks again.

[duderus]

Originally Posted by chaosMK

Make sure you are using a loud 1x12. My Mesa PH is probably one of the louder/bigger sounding ones out there and there are other good ones. Sometimes a clean boost in the FX loop can give you more clean output if that is what you are looking for.

I am using an UL1x12 epifani and it booms like my 2x12. So, I got that part.

Effects loop. Are you saying prior to the amp? There is no effects loop in back.

[B-string]

Yes amp to the 85, 85 to your speaker cab. No need to mike the cab unless you want to. XLR from the 85 will go to the mixer (cable it just like a mike, the 85 will replace the mike on the cable).

[two fingers]

What kind of amp (brand and model)? That would probably help the experts here answer your questions.

But if you are wanting to hear more volume on stage, more speaker surface area is about the only thing that will get it done. If you are only concerned about the FOH, then the options are as varied as the people who will give you the advice. Speaker level DI (but which one), line level DI (but, again, which one), and mic (did I mention which one). Of course, there will be the endless combinations of those options suggested as well. Good luck sorting through it! It's a bit overwhelming but fun stuff to learn.

[two fingers]

Originally Posted by B-string

Yes amp to the 85, 85 to your speaker cab. No need to mike the cab unless you want to. XLR from the 85 will go to the mixer (cable it just like a mike, the 85 will replace the mike on the cable).

I'm probably going to give one of these a try, and start with a SM57 on the front to see if micing is my thing. (not both at the same time, but either or for experiments) Maybe try a couple of different mics that I can borrow from other sound guys.

[B-string]

Originally Posted by two fingers

I'm probably going to give one of these a try, and start with a SM57 on the front to see if micing is my thing. (not both at the same time, but either or for experiments) Maybe try a couple of different mics that I can borrow from other sound guys.

Use the 85 to one channel strip and the mike(s) to a different channel strip so you can compare very easily.

[duderus]

Originally Posted by two fingers

What kind of amp (brand and model)? That would probably help the experts here answer your questions.

But if you are wanting to hear more volume on stage, more speaker surface area is about the only thing that will get it done. If you are only concerned about the FOH, then the options are as varied as the people who will give you the advice. Speaker level DI (but which one), line level DI (but, again, which one), and mic (did I mention which one). Of course, there will be the endless combinations of those options suggested as well. Good luck sorting through it! It's a bit overwhelming but fun stuff to learn.

It's a yorkville yba2 amp. Sounds wicked through my cab. Warmer than my epi head. 1969 simple with new killer tubes.

[duderus]

Originally Posted by two fingers

I'm probably going to give one of these a try, and start with a SM57 on the front to see if micing is my thing. (not both at the same time, but either or for experiments) Maybe try a couple of different mics that I can borrow from other sound guys.

R u saying the using the 85 to mic to a di? I am lost on this post. Ha

[B-string]

No the 85 replaces a mike input to the mixer. He wants to A/B it with a miked cab sound input to the mixer.

[duderus]

Originally Posted by B-string

No the 85 replaces a mike input to the mixer. He wants to A/B it with a miked cab sound input to the mixer.

Great thanx.

I may try one. I like the idea of the ground lift too.

[two fingers]

Originally Posted by B-string

No the 85 replaces a mike input to the mixer. He wants to A/B it with a miked cab sound input to the mixer.

Exactly. I too have come back to tube amps live after a long break from them. And I am just wanting to experiment, but without having to buy 15 DIs and mics! That's where the experience we are surrounded by here comes in handy.

[T-Bird]

Hi.

More speakers.

Preferably with a higher sensitivity than the average = horn loaded or a whole bunch of them if direct radiators are your thing.

IME 410 is perfectly adequate for smaller gigs with 100ish "tube" watts but the more, the merrier .

Originally Posted by duderus

I Don't Have a PA to plug into.

Then You have no use for a DI either in this particular case.
Handy to have in the future though in case there's PA support, and You can't go wrong with the Countryman.

If it's the stage volume You're concerned with, elevate the cab.
You will notice a percieved loss of lows, but the audience won't.
Simply because You actually won't lose any lows, but will hear mids and highs better.

Slaving onto another MI amp can be done with a DI or a mic, but only if the said amp has a mic-level input.
Otherwise it's just waste of time and money.

Running two different amps/rigs at the same time amplifying the same frequency range won't most likely sound very good either.

Regards
Sam

[duderus]

Originally Posted by T-Bird

Hi.

More speakers.

Preferably with a higher sensitivity than the average = horn loaded or a whole bunch of them if direct radiators are your thing.

IME 410 is perfectly adequate for smaller gigs with 100ish "tube" watts but the more, the merrier .



Then You have no use for a DI either in this particular case.
Handy to have in the future though in case there's PA support, and You can't go wrong with the Countryman.

If it's the stage volume You're concerned with, elevate the cab.
You will notice a percieved loss of lows, but the audience won't.
Simply because You actually won't lose any lows, but will hear mids and highs better.

Slaving onto another MI amp can be done with a DI or a mic, but only if the said amp has a mic-level input.
Otherwise it's just waste of time and money.

Running two different amps/rigs at the same time amplifying the same frequency range won't most likely sound very good either.

Regards
Sam

If I put the countryman in between the amp head and cab does it cut tone?

[Downunderwonder]

Originally Posted by duderus

If I put the countryman in between the amp head and cab does it cut tone?

JimmyM reckons it cuts some zing, I've not had a chance to check the few times one has been used that way on me but Jimmy has good ears.

[T-Bird]

Hi.

Originally Posted by duderus

If I put the countryman in between the amp head and cab does it cut tone?

I haven't used 'em enough to know, but the safe bet is that they all do.
To a degree anyway.
I for one wouldn't probably use the word cut to describe what's happening.


It's irrelevant in the studio though, since the cab is most likely miked, not DI'ed.

It's irrelevant in the live situation as well because the onstage rigs subtle tonal variations because of the DI can be adjusted if they're noticed.
The FOH engineer OTOH works with the signal going to his/her desk, and treats/tweaks it accordingly.

Regards
Sam