School me on Markbass stuff.

[DiabolusInMusic]

Originally Posted by Stock250

I have the mark bass 104 cab and the little mark tube head. Amazing tone for around 1500 bucks. Usually you can tell a markbass cab by the yellow cones, it's kinda their thing. There is a few models with black cones though. Hopefully that helps.

The older stuff had black drivers and the logo was in silver. I used to have a 106 silverface, when I took it in to trade it the employee thought I had a knock off and was trying to tell me off when I told him to get his manager or a bassist and to stop talking to me.

OP, I love my SD800 coming from an SVT-CL. It has a cleaner tone, gets louder, and best of all weighs 8 pounds and is encased in its own backpack for easy carrying. The tone is different, personally I prefer but some don't.

I do not recommend their cabs as highly as their heads though. Their cabs are voiced for a heavy mid bump, you might like it you might hate it. I don't mind it but I pick my Epifani ten timers out of ten, no contest.

[themacinator]

At the risk of being flamed I will say again that I don't get the Markbass thing. I've never been so impressed by their amps or cabs that I've been motivated to sell any of my gear and get one.

I have various gear for various rooms. I've always viewed Markbass gear as over-priced, over-hyped, and over-rated.

Let the flaming begin.

And in case you are wondering I am currently gigging my SWR Super Redhead D.I.'d to the PA which I run from the stage.

[darius8]

I think the VLE knob is a "HF cut and Low Pass" combo ranging from 20khz (7 o'clock position) to 250 hz (5 o'clock position). An example: At the 12 o'clock position your cutting everthing above 700hz (approx) and only allowing anything below 700hz to pass.

The VPF knob scoops out the mids around 380hz while boosting the 40hz and 20khz.

Both VLE and VPF are off in the 7 o'clock position.

[xray]

Originally Posted by darius8

I think the VLE knob is a "HF cut and Low Pass" combo ranging from 20khz (7 o'clock position) to 250 hz (5 o'clock position). An example: At the 12 o'clock position your cutting everthing above 700hz (approx) and only allowing anything below 700hz to pass.

The VPF knob scoops out the mids around 380hz while boosting the 40hz and 20khz.

Both VLE and VPF are off in the 7 o'clock position.

That helps!! I'll continue to tinker with it. But at least i know the starting points and freq range. I'm using it currently with a Ampeg 410HE just doesn't sound that crisp and punchy.

[dmusic148]

Originally Posted by xray

That helps!! I'll continue to tinker with it. But at least i know the starting points and freq range. I'm using it currently with a Ampeg 410HE just doesn't sound that crisp and punchy.

As said, the VLE is a high-pass filter and the VPF is essentially a 'contour' filter--mid cut+ low/high boost. Turn them fully counter-clockwise to defeat.
That particular head, as explained by kjung is really extended down low(be glad your cab isn't an HLF!) and is rather strident in the upper mids. It kinda is what it is.

[Akito]

The only lesson I can pass along about MarkBass is one I learned the hard way. My LM2 is a black and yellow paper weight because it failed under warranty and Markbass has never responded to my warranty service request.
So here is my school report- buy something else.

[darius8]

Sorry to hear that about your experience with MB cs but you don't really need to contact them to get your LMII repaired. All you needed to do is contact VST service and send a copy of your sales receipt.
http://www.vstservice.com/t-markbass.aspx
Main office is in California while 2 MarkBass authorized service centers are in your home state.

[REME7178]

I have a Ampeg SVT-CL That I want to pair with a Markbass Standard 106HF because I wanted a 610 type rig. The 106HF is a 6ohm cab, which I am sure I can run all day everyday no problem with the Ampeg SVT-CL. I want to know a few things and get some opinions before I go with ahead with this cab.

1. Does anyone have an opinion or experiance with the Markbass Standard 106HF or running a 6ohm load through a head tube or solid state?

2. Would I be better off running a 4ohm load and making a 610 setup out of a Markbass Standard 104 + 102 HF or HR which ever one?

3. I know that the Markbass Standard 106HF was discontinued. Does anyone no the reason wether it was slow sales or an issue with the cab?

and 4. Will this "funny" load affect any head in a adverse way long term or short term, limit what I can do latter or cause me any problems.

I can not really find too much about this bass cab anywhere, even here on TB. I play mostly at home and would not be lugging the rig around. I probally will not be adding anything to the 6x10, but could I if I droped my Ampeg down to 2ohm? (that's what I ment by limit) I do play/practice with other people sometimes, will this cab give me problems if we all decided to put our gear togerther and play? (might be a dumb Question, but I asked it)

5. Last question, unrelated just want an opinion. I sold my Ampeg SVT 610hlf (Made in the USA) to go with the Markbass Standard 106HF because the 106HF was in a lot better condition and you do not come across them everyday. It's no skin off my nuts I see Ampeg SVT 610hlf all the time and Ampeg still makes them, but not in the USA. Was this a mistake IYO?

I will miss the Ampeg, but I am kind of a bass gear horder and I am trying to stop. I am not like a greedy miser type horder, but more like a dooms day, what if type horder. All my freinds are always welcome to come play and have a good time. I don't just hord gear and not use it or let anyone else use it. If I have something that I see someone else needs or can use more then me, I have no problem giving it up. (Thanks in advance for your opinions and help, but I am not giving my gear away to any of you strangers)

[KJung]

Originally Posted by Akito

The only lesson I can pass along about MarkBass is one I learned the hard way. My LM2 is a black and yellow paper weight because it failed under warranty and Markbass has never responded to my warranty service request.
So here is my school report- buy something else.

This makes no sense. If it was under warranty, you just take it back to the dealer (Guitar Center) Zero issue. Or you CALL the manufacturer. Never, ever just send an email and assume it gets there.

No offense, but this doesn't make any sense. They also have very clear directions on their site regarding service throuh their service network.

[Slaine01]

Is the LM Tube more like the LM3? , I have noticed the LMT800 doesnt get a lot of love but whats the difference in between these "tube" amps? ( besides obviously the output )

[greencow]

I have a Ampeg SVT-CL That I want to pair with a Markbass Standard 106HF because I wanted a 610 type rig. The 106HF is a 6ohm cab, which I am sure I can run all day everyday no problem with the Ampeg SVT-CL. I want to know a few things and get some opinions before I go with ahead with this cab.

1. Does anyone have an opinion or experiance with the Markbass Standard 106HF or running a 6ohm load through a head tube or solid state?

2. Would I be better off running a 4ohm load and making a 610 setup out of a Markbass Standard 104 + 102 HF or HR which ever one?[

3. I know that the Markbass Standard 106HF was discontinued. Does anyone no the reason wether it was slow sales or an issue with the cab?

1. No experience with that cab. About the 6 Ohm load:
Tube amplifiers have an output transformer and requier a matched load impedance to the amplifier. The SVT-CL can operate with 2 or 4 Ohm loads, it does not suport a 6 Ohm load.
Most solid state amplifiers do not use an output transformer and usually have their ouput power specified with something like 500w @4 Ohm, 300w@8 Ohm
These amplifiers do not require a matched load, however the load impedance can't be smaller then the minimum load impedance allowed. For the example above the minimum load allowed would be 4 Ohms, meaning the amp could run a 6Ohm cab.

2. I would say no. If you take the 2 mentioned cabs then both cabs will get the same amount of power from the amplifier. However in the 104 the power is divided between four drivers and in the 102 between two drivers, leaving your 104 starved for power and your 102 prone to blowing a speaker.

3. The reason why Markbass stoped making the big cabs is simple: They could not compete with other manufacturers on the market. Their cabs were lighter then other companys out there, but they also cost more. The thing with a 6x10" is, that even if you make it lighter, it will still be to heavy and big to lift by yourself.

[KJung]

Originally Posted by Slaine01

Is the LM Tube more like the LM3? , I have noticed the LMT800 doesnt get a lot of love but whats the difference in between these "tube" amps? ( besides obviously the output )

They are voiced quite differently. I have no idea how much of that voicing is due to tweaks in the preamp to match to the power level of the amp (i.e., seems like the 800 series has a lower bass extension/hi passing), or due to the different amp topologies, with the LMIII/LMTube being class A/B amps and the LMT800 and LM800 being class D amps (which is how they get the additional power out of those amps while keeping the size the same).

The Big Bang is also class D, and sounds more like the LMIII (from reports) than the 800 series (that is how they get the same wattage as the LMIII in a smaller box. This suggests that it is not an 'amp topology' impact but rather a choice by the designers to me.

The LMTube/LMIII are warm and fat and clean and even and punchy. The 800 series (I've only played the SD800 and LMTube800) are deeper and much brighter/cleaner in the upper midrange. I found no amount of knob turning made them sound much alike.

I again also heard VERY little impact of the tube in the LMTube, other than a difference in gain when the LMIII and LMTube were set at the same knob setting.

IMO and IME!

[REME7178]

[quote=greencow;13909746]1. No experience with that cab. About the 6 Ohm load:
Tube amplifiers have an output transformer and requier a matched load impedance to the amplifier. The SVT-CL can operate with 2 or 4 Ohm loads, it does not suport a 6 Ohm load.
Most solid state amplifiers do not use an output transformer and usually have their ouput power specified with something like 500w @4 Ohm, 300w@8 Ohm
These amplifiers do not require a matched load, however the load impedance can't be smaller then the minimum load impedance allowed. For the example above the minimum load allowed would be 4 Ohms, meaning the amp could run a 6Ohm cab.

2. I would say no. If you take the 2 mentioned cabs then both cabs will get the same amount of power from the amplifier. However in the 104 the power is divided between four drivers and in the 102 between two drivers, leaving your 104 starved for power and your 102 prone to blowing a speaker.

3. The reason why Markbass stoped making the big cabs is simple: They could not compete with other manufacturers on the market. Their cabs were lighter then other companys out there, but they also cost more. The thing with a 6x10" is, that even if you make it lighter, it will still be to heavy and big to lift by yourself.

Thanks you so much for enlightening me on my issue with this bass cab. I have'nt had much luck here on TB with my question.

[DiabolusInMusic]

[quote=REME7178;13911150]

Originally Posted by greencow

1. No experience with that cab. About the 6 Ohm load:
Tube amplifiers have an output transformer and requier a matched load impedance to the amplifier. The SVT-CL can operate with 2 or 4 Ohm loads, it does not suport a 6 Ohm load.
Most solid state amplifiers do not use an output transformer and usually have their ouput power specified with something like 500w @4 Ohm, 300w@8 Ohm
These amplifiers do not require a matched load, however the load impedance can't be smaller then the minimum load impedance allowed. For the example above the minimum load allowed would be 4 Ohms, meaning the amp could run a 6Ohm cab.

2. I would say no. If you take the 2 mentioned cabs then both cabs will get the same amount of power from the amplifier. However in the 104 the power is divided between four drivers and in the 102 between two drivers, leaving your 104 starved for power and your 102 prone to blowing a speaker.

3. The reason why Markbass stoped making the big cabs is simple: They could not compete with other manufacturers on the market. Their cabs were lighter then other companys out there, but they also cost more. The thing with a 6x10" is, that even if you make it lighter, it will still be to heavy and big to lift by yourself.

Thanks you so much for enlightening me on my issue with this bass cab. I have'nt had much luck here on TB with my question.

I answered the question in your thread when you originally posted it within 5 minutes giving you exactly the information you needed as I had that exact setup. If you have more questions about the subject feel free to PM me.

[RaginRog]

Originally Posted by B-string

I use a LM800 tube at the keyboardist's place when we practice there w/ some MarkBass 410. Really don't care for it, so they are not all great to everyone.

The 410s can get a little boomy depending on the bass and how an amp is eq'd. I usually cut the bass eq on my LMIII to about 11 o'clock and add low mids to the 2 o'clock position. This gives me some low end clarity- played with one of my 3 jazz basses.

[REME7178]

[quote=DiabolusInMusic;13911218]

Originally Posted by REME7178

I answered the question in your thread when you originally posted it within 5 minutes giving you exactly the information you needed as I had that exact setup. If you have more questions about the subject feel free to PM me.

Thank you for that. What I ment by not much luck is, I only had the one good reply from you in my original thread, so I piggy backed on here and tried to get more. Greencow just had a little more definitive anwser to what I wanted to know. From what I gather from both of you is that it is not ideal to mate the SVT-cl and the 610HLF. I have the cab now and I made a mistake selling my Ampeg. I will just pull my Gallien Kruger back out and mate it with the Markbass cab.

[RaginRog]

Originally Posted by KJung

This makes no sense. If it was under warranty, you just take it back to the dealer (Guitar Center) Zero issue. Or you CALL the manufacturer. Never, ever just send an email and assume it gets there.

No offense, but this doesn't make any sense. They also have very clear directions on their site regarding service throuh their service network.

Perhaps the rear in his avatar released gas that clouded his thought process.

[Akito]

Originally Posted by KJung

This makes no sense. If it was under warranty, you just take it back to the dealer (Guitar Center) Zero issue. Or you CALL the manufacturer. Never, ever just send an email and assume it gets there.

No offense, but this doesn't make any sense. They also have very clear directions on their site regarding service throuh their service network.

No offense either, but I followed all directions meticulously. Repeatedly as a matter of fact, all of which I have records of. Guitar Center informed me that they changed their policy and warranty work has to be handled through Markbass. You need to follow the procedure to receive an RA# before you can just show up at the repair shop. Markbass dropped the ball despite my attempts to provide them complete and clear information and to follow their procedures. I have no axe to grind except the one they placed in my hands. You think it makes no sense reading it? Imagine how I feel after making an investment in Markbass and having it actually happen to me,

[Akito]

I just went back and looked at my records and it was vstservices that I was dealing with, as well as a couple of folks with GC and Markbass when vstservices dropped the ball. I'm not trying to be hateful, but I am always going to be let down by this, and I won't buy markbass again, and I will share my story whenever I feel it's appropriate. After everything, the story and lesson learned are all I have. I paid enough for it, so I'll do with it whatever I want.

[Rockin Mike]

Originally Posted by greencow

Owner of a LM III and a Traveler 121H

I would advise to try as many different cabinets as you have access to. For instance I would never buy the traveler 102P

I really dig my 102Ps. Respect to greencow, but different opinion.