Schroeder 115L+

KJung · #1 08-21-2008, 07:28 AM

The cab arrived yesterday, and it is darn cool. This is a just released cab in Jorg's line, and the big brother to the new, redesigned 112L+.

As some know, I've been happy for years with my 'large and light' cab(s), but am always on the lookout for a good sounding, loud, small cab for smaller gigs. I'm happy with my Berg 210's at the moment, but they are heavy and 8ohm. And, I'm one who is yet to find a 112 that really works for me on the gig, especially with the micro heads that I use. So when I saw this small, 4ohm, high power handling, lightweight 115 with tweeter, I thought 'what the heck'

The spec's are amazing. It comes in at 30 pounds (even a touch under by my scale), and is 21 by 17 by 14. Yes, those specs are right for a 2 way 115 cab (for comparison, the Epi112UL is 34 pounds and 19.5 by 16.5 by 16.25, and the Aguilar DB112 is 19 by 14 by 19 and 45 pounds). I ordered the 4ohm version, and I assume this cab uses the Celestion 400 watt RMS Neo 15 listed on their site.

The cab is built beautifully. The rhino lining is 'hammer proof' and looks great, and heavy duty side handles and nice rubber feet are installed. There are plenty of heavy duty screws, so no rattling of the grill, and since this is a traditional single driver front ported design, it has a simple control plate/attenuator (speakon and 1/4" ins/outs) on the back versus the big 'access plate' for the baffle type cabs like the 1212.

As with the other small cabs in Jorg's line-up, there is a lot of driver in a small box, so the voicing is 'Schroeder tight'. The cool thing about this cab is that while there is obviously some deep low end attenuation, I don't really hear that big low mid bump and that little bit of upper mid hole under the tweeter that I hear in the 1212L, for example (Edit: I have not heard the most recent version of the 1212L, which has been updated from what I understand). The tone of this box is more similar to a really good 112.. tight, full, and quick. Given the power rating and the 4ohm nominal impedance, it gets massively loud for its size (not as loud as the 1212L, but more even and balanced sounding). I've only been using the F1 at this point, and it's a nice match. My guess is, the Shuttle 6.0 will also excel, and the LMII would probably be the best of all, due to its slightly fatter, fuller deep low end.

There is a lot of extension of the woofer into the upper mids (hence, nice paper cone growl under the tweeter). This is NOT really a cab that 'vintage 15 lovers' would dig. It's modern and somewhat aggressive. It's also quite a bit different from the Bag End small 115 cube (the other 'small 115 cab that I'm familiar with). This tone is more aggressive in the upper mids, the tweeter is more aggressive (if you engage it), and the low end is more full to my ear (given my indirect comparison). It doesn't have that warm, round, lower mid sort of organic thing like the Bag End.

For those of you who like a 'bap bap' even, tight articulate tone and are looking for the smallest one cab solution that seems capable of even a moderate sized gig, this is definitely worth a look.

As always, I will update this thread is a few weeks when I have more hours on it, and a couple of gigs with it under my belt.

Here is a front and side view with the F1.

**Chef** · #2 08-21-2008, 07:31 AM

Q:
does it have enough more substantive low end to be worth putting under a 1212, or 410
"for more beef," or, is this more of a standalone kinda dealio?

KJung · #3 08-21-2008, 07:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chef

Q:
does it have enough more substantive low end to be worth putting under a 1212, or 410
"for more beef," or, is this more of a standalone kinda dealio?

IMO no. It's more tight and punchy, loud but small. I would assume a two x 8ohm 115l+ stack would pretty much blow away most 2 x 112 stacks out there, and be about the same size and actually lighter weight.

Again, with that big driver in that small box, this is not a deeply voiced, traditional 115... it's more of a 'super 112' to my ear at this point.

lomo · #4 08-21-2008, 07:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chef

Q:
does it have enough more substantive low end to be worth putting under a 1212, or 410
"for more beef," or, is this more of a standalone kinda dealio?

IME it definitely adds beef to my 1212L (even though my 15 is an 8 Ohm and my 1212 a 4 Ohm). Sounds great on its' own with my LM11 as well.

(note my 15+L was made in a slightly larger box than standard in order to stack evenly with a 1212-YMMV)

**Chef** · #5 08-21-2008, 07:39 AM

kewl; thx
we'd talked about this offline, but it seems like an obvious q many would have asked

**Chef** · #6 08-21-2008, 07:39 AM

lomo: being in a bigger box to stack with the 1212 is something I'd talked to Jorg about, and I'm not surprised it adds some beef to it.

slyjoe · #7 08-21-2008, 07:42 AM

Thanks for the insight - I am trying to decide on a Schroeder configuration right now. Such as 1 4 ohm vs 2 8 ohm cabs with an LMII. Any plans to try it with a second cab?

Tony G · #8 08-21-2008, 07:43 AM

Wow, very cool cab! That is a 15" speaker cab I could really get into!

neptoon · #9 08-21-2008, 07:47 AM

cool - i was wondering if there was going to be a bag end comparison in there - thanks!

Lowbrow · #10 08-21-2008, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by lomo

IME it definitely adds beef to my 1212L (even though my 15 is an 8 Ohm and my 1212 a 4 Ohm). Sounds great on its' own with my LM11 as well.

(note my 15+L was made in a slightly larger box than standard in order to stack evenly with a 1212-YMMV)

Nice to hear, especially as I've got an identically size-speced 115 coming from Jorg, which I , too, will use with the 1212.

Though my "stack" will be 2x4-ohm cabs for standalone performance when called for; will power at 2 ohms total when stacked. Still shopping for my preferred 2-ohm compact head.

KJung · #11 08-21-2008, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Lowbrow

Nice to hear, especially as I've got an identically size-speced 115 coming from Jorg, which I , too, will use with the 1212.

Though my "stack" will be 2x4-ohm cabs for standalone performance when called for; will power at 2 ohms total when stacked. Still shopping for my preferred 2-ohm compact head.

Cool! I would think the bigger box that you are talking about and that Lomo has would extend the low end a bit versus the 'stock' smaller box.

KJung · #12 08-21-2008, 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Tony G

Wow, very cool cab! That is a 15" speaker cab I could really get into!

The voicing has quite a bit of similarity to your AE410 IMO... tight, mid punchy, and somewhat aggressive in the upper mids.

lo-freq · #13 08-21-2008, 08:19 AM

Very interesting!

Big String · #14 08-21-2008, 08:30 AM

Nice Ken, thanks.
I'm kinda sorta interested in his new 1215L compact.
I really like how 12's and 15's sound together. Not sure if I'd like the angled speaker result having tried most of the early R-line.

lomo · #15 08-21-2008, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Lowbrow

Nice to hear, especially as I've got an identically size-speced 115 coming from Jorg, which I , too, will use with the 1212.

Though my "stack" will be 2x4-ohm cabs for standalone performance when called for; will power at 2 ohms total when stacked. Still shopping for my preferred 2-ohm compact head.

I like the WT550. Trust me, you will not be able to remove the *$@#-eating grin from your face when you hear this stack

I only wish I had an 8 Ohm 1212 to hear the difference when the 15 gets as much juice as the 1212. I may have no choice but to get one

Lowbrow · #16 08-21-2008, 08:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lomo

I like the WT550. Trust me, you will not be able to remove the *$@#-eating grin from your face when you hear this stack

I only wish I had an 8 Ohm 1212 to hear the difference when the 15 gets as much juice as the 1212. I may have no choice but to get one

The WT550 specs look great indeed but it's about 2 1/2 times too rich for my blood!

alexclaber · #17 08-21-2008, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by KJung

IMO no. It's more tight and punchy, loud but small. I would assume a two x 8ohm 115l+ stack would pretty much blow away most 2 x 112 stacks out there, and be about the same size and actually lighter weight.

Again, with that big driver in that small box, this is not a deeply voiced, traditional 115... it's more of a 'super 112' to my ear at this point.

Interesting. Sounds similar to my own lightweight 15" design.

Alex

tallboybass · #18 08-21-2008, 09:15 AM

Great review as always Ken! If this cab had more low-end it sounds like it would be a good one to put under my GB6.0-12T. It's interesting to hear that Jorg will make them to fit dimensionally under certain rigs.

And now, for you future sportscasters out there, I'd like you to read this line 3 times in a row quickly, loudly and with much enthusiasm!

Quote:

Originally Posted by KJung

For those of you who like a 'bap bap' even, tight articulate tone and are looking for the smallest one cab solution that seems capable of even a moderate sized gig, this is definitely worth a look.

CElton · #19 08-21-2008, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Lowbrow

The WT550 specs look great indeed but it's about 2 1/2 times too rich for my blood!

Look into a Walkabout...

I'm thinking about two of these in 8ohm to go with my LMII.

Mr. Pickles · #20 08-21-2008, 09:35 AM

This may be exactly what I'm looking for. Now, to decide between these two rigs:

LMII (or F1) 2 X Schro 115L+ for a modern tone
-or-
Shuttle 6.0 2 X Bag End S-15D (one with coax) for vintage

Still narrowing down my tone goals at the moment...

Ken - do you think the LMII could handle 2 15's with authoity?