Schroeder 115L+

[Lowbrow]

Originally Posted by CElton

Look into a Walkabout...

I'm thinking about two of these in 8ohm to go with my LMII.

I've got one, actually -- but can't get Mesa support to admit that it can operate safely at 2 ohms...CYA?

[KJung]

Originally Posted by Mr. Pickles

This may be exactly what I'm looking for. Now, to decide between these two rigs:

LMII (or F1) 2 X Schro 115L+ for a modern tone
-or-
Shuttle 6.0 2 X Bag End S-15D (one with coax) for vintage

Still narrowing down my tone goals at the moment...

Ken - do you think the LMII could handle 2 15's with authoity?

I believe the Shuttle 6.0 and the LMII could drive both these stacks with plenty of authority. I LOVED the Bag End 15D/Dx stack, and used it for years. The downside to that stack is it's quite heavy by todays standards, and the tweeter doesn't have an attenuator, which may or may not be a problem with the Shuttle (the LMII's VLE works wonderfully as a 'tweeter attenuator' at low levels).

Both the 115L and the Bag Ends are quite efficient, given they both are more voiced to the mids for a loud punchy tone.

[CElton]

Originally Posted by Lowbrow

I've got one, actually -- but can't get Mesa support to admit that it can operate safely at 2 ohms...CYA?

Plug it in and rock away...

[lomo]

Originally Posted by Mr. Pickles

Ken - do you think the LMII could handle 2 15's with authoity?

Why wouldn't it?

[Vic]

I'd love to hear a pair of 8ohm versions of these driven by an F1 or LMII.

[CH Design]

Originally Posted by KJung

IMO no. It's more tight and punchy, loud but small. I would assume a two x 8ohm 115l+ stack would pretty much blow away most 2 x 112 stacks out there, and be about the same size and actually lighter weight.

Again, with that big driver in that small box, this is not a deeply voiced, traditional 115... it's more of a 'super 112' to my ear at this point.

That's an interesting way of looking at it. It makes sense though. The same can probably be said for my Mini 12+R stack. It is comparable to other 110 cabs of similar size, but isn't as full as the larger 112 cabs out there.

[pmaraziti]

Ken,

I know you're not a DBer but how would you think it'd work in such a context?

Thank you !
Paolo

PS: I was waiting for a 15+L when I bumped into a steal for a 21015+1210L and I went for it, one thing my rig has in common wiht the 15+L is the outstanding Jorg personality, a great person to deal with

[The Diaper Geni]

Originally Posted by Mr. Pickles

This may be exactly what I'm looking for. Now, to decide between these two rigs:

LMII (or F1) 2 X Schro 115L+ for a modern tone
-or-
Shuttle 6.0 2 X Bag End S-15D (one with coax) for vintage

Still narrowing down my tone goals at the moment...

Ken - do you think the LMII could handle 2 15's with authoity?

I've got the Shuttle and BE stack (2 S15-D's, no tweeter), and it's very loud if need be. Assuming that the LMII is similar to the Shuttle in volume, then "Yes", the LMII will work with either stack.

Also: But don't underestimate the "moderness" of the BE's. Just because they do the vintage thing really well does not mean that they are one trick pony's. Just a FYI.

[KJung]

Originally Posted by pmaraziti

Ken,

I know you're not a DBer but how would you think it'd work in such a context?

Thank you !
Paolo

PS: I was waiting for a 15+L when I bumped into a steal for a 21015+1210L and I went for it, one thing my rig has in common wiht the 15+L is the outstanding Jorg personality, a great person to deal with

That's a hard one. So many of the DB guys are into the older EA VL line cabs and the Acme's. The 115L+ is quite different. It's much more aggressive in the mids. I guess it depends on what kind of DB tone you are going after.

If you dug the Ampeg Porta Bass type DB tone, or even the GK MB150 type tone (i.e., tight, punchy, growly DB tone versus big and bloomy), my guess is the 115L would KILL. However, if you are into the pure, transparent, big, woody, blossomy DB tone, probably not.

That's just based on hanging out with my buddy TBer Ric Vice (who is the pure EA/Acme type DBer), and also Tommy Kennedy, who I've heard a zillion times on DB with that very ganky Porta Bass or GK combo, and of course it sounded good enough to die for

I'll spend some time with this cab and my Rob Allen, which is a pretty good proxy for assessing DB performance in a cab. PM me in a couple days if I forget to post up about it.

[Mr. Pickles]

Originally Posted by lomo

Why wouldn't it?

Well, I'm assuming that one 115+ at 4 ohms would draw 500 watts from an F1, while two 8 ohm 115's would only draw 250 watts each. I know the cabs are efficient, but wouldn't this affect the sound?

[KJung]

Originally Posted by Mr. Pickles

Well, I'm assuming that one 115+ at 4 ohms would draw 500 watts from an F1, while two 8 ohm 115's would only draw 250 watts each. I know the cabs are efficient, but wouldn't this affect the sound?

That's plenty of watts to drive these cabs, and with the coupling effect, it will put out the big boom with either the Shuttle or the LMII IMO.

[lomo]

Originally Posted by KJung

That's plenty of watts to drive these cabs, and with the coupling effect, it will put out the big boom with either the Shuttle or the LMII IMO.

+1 I practiced with the LM2 and 15L (300 watts) and the master never reached noon (gain set as per manual rec.), against a loud drummer, our usual loud guitarist and another guitarist who showed up for a jam. These cabs are super efficient and cut like a scimitar.

[lomo]

Originally Posted by Lowbrow

The WT550 specs look great indeed but it's about 2 1/2 times too rich for my blood!

Carvin B800? Saw one recently in the classifieds. I'd try your Walkabout 1st, though.

[Mr. Pickles]

Thanks for all the responses, gentlemen.

[lo-freq]

Originally Posted by Vic

I'd love to hear a pair of 8ohm versions of these driven by an F1 or LMII.

+1 on the 8 ohm pair with an F1 -- I bet that would seriously kick booty!

[basss]

Would you guys consider this a small gig cab or could it cover some gigs that a 2x12 or 4x10 would if the volume is reasonable?

[KJung]

Originally Posted by basss

Would you guys consider this a small gig cab or could it cover some gigs that a 2x12 or 4x10 would if the volume is reasonable?

IMO, no. It's not so much about volume as it is a full, forceful low end. This is a low end attenuated cab IMO and IME (the old rule, you can have two out of the following three... small, deep, or loud). It is a very small box, and it punches like heck, but it doesn't have the low end extension, for example, of my Aguilar DB112. It's much more of a low mid punch machine, similar to Jorg's other small cabs, but to my ear, more even through the mid mids and upper mids.

So, if you are one that digs a rather mid oriented, punchy fingerstyle tone, this cab will do almost any gig. If, on the other hand, your bandmates want a nice, deep low end pillow under the band, you would either need two of these or a bigger 212 or 410 IMO.

K

[rockstarbassist]

Just when I start gassin' for 15's again...

[rockstarbassist]

Originally Posted by KJung

IMO no. It's more tight and punchy, loud but small. I would assume a two x 8ohm 115l+ stack would pretty much blow away most 2 x 112 stacks out there, and be about the same size and actually lighter weight.

Again, with that big driver in that small box, this is not a deeply voiced, traditional 115... it's more of a 'super 112' to my ear at this point.

This is what I like to hear!

Does it come in 8 ohm configs?

[CElton]

Originally Posted by rockstarbassist

Does it come in 8 ohm configs?

Yes...get your GasX at the end of the line.