Schroeder 115L+ - Page 5

caesarbass · #81 09-03-2008, 08:57 PM

Great info KJung!! I spoke to Jorg today and ordered my 1515L!!!! I should have it in a week!! Maybe a 115L will be my next cab!!!

KJung · #82 09-04-2008, 04:55 AM

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Okay, this peaks my interest. What do you mean by "buries"? In what way? Sheer volume? Does it move more air?

I've compared the NeoX 112 directly to the gs and db112. IME it was somewhere in between the two in terms of tone, and a bit more efficient, but only slightly perhaps. I really want to know how the 115 buries it.

Do you feel there are instances where the 115 can handle a gig and the db112 couldn't? If so, could all this be because of 4 ohms vs. 8 ohms and the headroom that gives you?

As always, thanks for the time! I started to PM you, but figured others could benefit from our open discussions.

Also, where does it sit tonally compared to the 1212 or 1210?

By buries, I mean absolute volume and punch. I do believe part of it is the higher power driver and the 4ohm impedance, which really helps with the moderate powered heads I use. Part of it is also the voicing. It's the old rule... you can have two out of three: small, loud or low. Like other small Schroeders, Jorg goes for small and loud at the expense of a touch of deep low end performance. That does NOT mean that the 115L is 'weak' in the low end. Just like the AE410, it's just a more 'upper bass' sort of punch and tightness versus deep bass extension.

As posted above, given the 15L+ is a 'traditional' single driver, front ported design, you don't get the peaks and valleys I hear in the more unusual 1210 and 1212 designs (i.e., that big spike in the low mids and that drop off in the upper mids). This cab sounds more like a baby Berg AE410 to me (i.e., very tight in the low end, a bit deep low end attenuated, and then very even throughout the entire midrange, with some 'growl' in the upper mids right below the tweeter crossover frequency).

Again, I would think that two of them in 8 ohm (or 4ohm if you have a 2ohm capable head) would significantly widen the low end due to coupling and really, really sound wonderful with 500-700 watts pumping through them.

For me, the ability to run my heads (F1 or LMII) full power into a 30 pound cab that seems to be able to handle that power is a wonderful thing for small and medium sized gigs. I never had a problem with the 1212L volume-wise, but the voicing just wore on me after a while. This cab is smoother and more even, while still maintaining that 'I can't believe all that sound is coming out of that little box' sort of vibe.

I surely wouldn't recommend this cab to everyone (actually, I guess I wouldn't recommend any cab to 'everyone'), but again, if you like that 'play close to the bridge articulation' and aren't interested in shaking the ashtrays in the back of the room, but still need it loud, this is a very cool box.

KJung · #83 09-04-2008, 06:13 AM

FYI for you 115L+ owners or future purchasers. Jorg does not have covers for these at this point (not sure why not). I sent the measurements into LeCover, and it's just perfect.

So, LeCover has the correct measurements for the 115L. Depending on the options you choose, the padded cover is between $60 and $80 or so shipped.

ElMon · #84 09-04-2008, 06:56 AM

Great review my friend, as always. Curious if, when matched up with the LMII, you could dial in some of that deep fat lowend that is not inherently built in to this box?

Eublet · #85 09-04-2008, 06:57 AM

Thanks again, Ken. Wish I could hear one of these. I've not heard the AE410 either, so it's tough for me to have a point of reference. I'd really like to compare an 8 ohm 15L+ to an 8 ohm Neox 112. I'd also like to compare both the 8 and 4 ohm versions against each other off the LMII to see what the difference is in power and headroom. In past experience for me, there has been very little difference in overall volume.

Do you think two of these 115's would also bury your typical 212, such as an Aggie gs or Eden xlt?

KJung · #86 09-04-2008, 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Eublet

Thanks again, Ken. Wish I could hear one of these. I've not heard the AE410 either, so it's tough for me to have a point of reference. I'd really like to compare an 8 ohm 15L+ to an 8 ohm Neox 112. I'd also like to compare both the 8 and 4 ohm versions against each other off the LMII to see what the difference is in power and headroom. In past experience for me, there has been very little difference in overall volume.

Do you think two of these 115's would also bury your typical 212, such as an Aggie gs or Eden xlt?

The 4ohm/8ohm thing with a small cab (and even a large cab) is very dependent on the head. With the Walter Woods and Focus, for example, I heard no difference between 4ohm and 8ohm cabs (given the relatively high power output at 8ohms). With the LMII and F1, I REALLY notice it, even with small cabs. At 300 watts, those heads seem to reach the limiting threshold when slapped or played aggressively, where it's almost impossible to reach that threshold at 4ohms (IMO and IME). I hear none of that 'compression' at the peaks with the 4ohm 115L like I do with, for example, one of my 8ohm Berg210's. Of course, I don't hear this with a single 112 at 8ohms either, since the cab gives it up long before the amp reaches its limits at 300 watts.

My feeling is that two 115L's will spank most 212 cabs. I also feel that most 410's spank 212 cabs.

KJung · #87 09-04-2008, 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by ElMon

Great review my friend, as always. Curious if, when matched up with the LMII, you could dial in some of that deep fat lowend that is not inherently built in to this box?

That's the plan! We shall see when I get this cab to where my LMII is in a few weeks.

K

Eublet · #88 09-04-2008, 07:44 AM

Thanks again, Ken. I know I'm asking you to speculate here, but do you think that dual 15+L's would have the fullnes in tone of an Eden 212xlt, with the addition of some extra punch?

KJung · #89 09-04-2008, 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Eublet

Thanks again, Ken. I know I'm asking you to speculate here, but do you think that dual 15+L's would have the fullnes in tone of an Eden 212xlt, with the addition of some extra punch?

This is like 20 questions

I really like that 212XLT. My guess is, two 8ohm 115L's will line up pretty closely to that cab in both tone and volume, with the dual 115L's being a touch more mid forward and a little louder, and the 212XLT having slightly more low end extension, all other things being equal.

Eublet · #90 09-04-2008, 08:01 AM

If both cabinets where a bottle of wine, which cabinet would pair better with nice filet and baked potato?

Thanks for humoring me through all this. I still love my cabs, but for some reason I've just been itching to try things out lately. The 15+ is in the top 3 cabs I'm thinking about.

**Chef** · #91 09-04-2008, 09:37 AM

Expect the 15+ to have a hint of asparagus, whereas the 212xlt has more of an elderberry finish.

Mr. Pickles · #92 09-04-2008, 09:41 AM

You guys slay me

Eublet · #93 09-04-2008, 05:38 PM

Would you say this is a good modern slapper's cab, for like a gospel tone?

kirkm24 · #94 09-04-2008, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Eublet

Would you say this is a good modern slapper's cab, for like a gospel tone?

+1 I have interest in this question as well.

KJung · #95 09-05-2008, 02:53 AM

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Would you say this is a good modern slapper's cab, for like a gospel tone?

I like the slap tone very much, BUT, I like a lot of midrange definition in my slap tone (i.e., I don't twist any knobs going from fingerstyle to slap and back). If you like the 'scoopity scoop SWR' type slap tone, which I associate with a lot of gospel-type players (that boom and click, with very little note definition), then this cab would not be for you.

However, the tweeter is very smooth and crisp sounding, and as long as you have an amp with some sort of control for cutting the upper mids (around 800 to 1.5K or so), and the ability to put out some deep low end, it sounds really killer... tight, punchy, grindy, with a nice sheen on top.

Washishimi · #96 09-05-2008, 06:28 AM

Someone needs to compare the 1515L to the 1515 (which is also a light - interesting), to 2 115L+'s.

CElton · #97 09-05-2008, 06:31 AM

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Originally Posted by KJung

I like the slap tone very much, BUT, I like a lot of midrange definition in my slap tone (i.e., I don't twist any knobs going from fingerstyle to slap and back). If you like the 'scoopity scoop SWR' type slap tone, which I associate with a lot of gospel-type players (that boom and click, with very little note definition), then this cab would not be for you.

However, the tweeter is very smooth and crisp sounding, and as long as you have an amp with some sort of control for cutting the upper mids (around 800 to 1.5K or so), and the ability to put out some deep low end, it sounds really killer... tight, punchy, grindy, with a nice sheen on top.

Would the VPF on his LMII help with this? I don't change much when I slap either, but my 1210 sounds great for slap with some VPF engaged to around 10 o'clock or so.

KJung · #98 09-05-2008, 06:34 AM

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Would the VPF on his LMII help with this? I don't change much when I slap either, but my 1210 sounds great for slap with some VPF engaged to around 10 o'clock or so.

You don't need the VPF as much with the 115L as I did with the 1212L (which is pretty similar to the 1210). The 115L just needs a little softening in the upper mids, and the LMII's upper mid control is voiced just perfectly for that (as is the F1, which is what I'm using with it at the moment). Dial the upper mid back to around 10 o'clock, and dial in just a very little VPF if you want it a little rounder and wider sounding (like at 8 o'clock or so), and it just sounds great to me.

Eublet · #99 09-05-2008, 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by KJung

You don't need the VPF as much with the 115L as I did with the 1212L (which is pretty similar to the 1210). The 115L just needs a little softening in the upper mids, and the LMII's upper mid control is voiced just perfectly for that (as is the F1, which is what I'm using with it at the moment). Dial the upper mid back to around 10 o'clock, and dial in just a very little VPF if you want it a little rounder and wider sounding (like at 8 o'clock or so), and it just sounds great to me.

Can you explain a bit why on the differences between the 1210, 1212, and 21012? I'm considering these options as well. It sounds as if you are saying they are more sizzly up top? I've not heard a Schroeder cab in quite a long time, and I've heard there have been some pretty significant changes in them from the newer models.

KJung · #**100** 09-05-2008, 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Eublet

Can you explain a bit why on the differences between the 1210, 1212, and 21012? I'm considering these options as well. It sounds as if you are saying they are more sizzly up top? I've not heard a Schroeder cab in quite a long time, and I've heard there have been some pretty significant changes in them from the newer models.

Just like Epi, all of Jorg's cabs use the same tweeters and crossover, so the upper treble is the same on all of them.

I have not heard any of these cabs with the new Celestion drivers, and I understand they sound quite different from the Eminence loaded cabs that I am familiar with.