Schroeder 115L+

[Eublet]

Oh, wait...sorry. I misread your comment. I saw VPF and thought VLE, so I was thinking you were cutting the high end back a bit. Makes sense now. With the 1210 and 1212, you were using more VPF to compensate for the more throaty character of those cabs I assume. I should read more slowly!

[CElton]

Originally Posted by Eublet

Oh, wait...sorry. I misread your comment. I saw VPF and thought VLE, so I was thinking you were cutting the high end back a bit. Makes sense now. With the 1210 and 1212, you were using more VPF to compensate for the more throaty character of those cabs I assume. I should read more slowly!

Yeah...from what Ken's describing, the 115L is naturally smoother top to bottom. I think the 1210/1212 can get there with some minor EQ and the LMII works perfect with them IMO.

[KJung]

Originally Posted by Eublet

Oh, wait...sorry. I misread your comment. I saw VPF and thought VLE, so I was thinking you were cutting the high end back a bit. Makes sense now. With the 1210 and 1212, you were using more VPF to compensate for the more throaty character of those cabs I assume. I should read more slowly!

It took me a year to finally get those letters right when talking about the MB amps I called them VPE's and VLF's and every other darn thing.

[XavidmanX]

I went to Jorg's on Thursday and played the 115 and everything Ken said is spot on. To summarize, this little cab totally kicks booty. We were playing through a Mesa Walkabout and that cab was awesome. Again, I think the normal midrange focus of Jorg's cab balances out the normal "thud" or boom of some 15's. This would make a nice standalone.

If you wanted more "boom" in a single cab to pair with another, I think the 1515 without the tweeter worked nice.

I played a 1215/1515 stack and it was outrageous. The cabs were so light that you could almost carry one in each hand and just stash your head in your gig bag. Good stuff...

[craigb]

My 15+L arrived yesterday and I gave it a quick checkout. I love the size & weight - it's going to be enjoyable to cart around. Sonically I felt it lacked a bit in true lows (I'm comparing to Carvin LS1503s with 3015LFs in them) but with some low/low-mid eq bump I could get what I want/need out of it (I'm a 4-stringer only) and it seemed like 250W from my Yamaha BBT-500H (at 4 Ohms) was going to get plenty loud for me.

I tried several times to like the compact angled baffle Schroeders (1210L, 1212L) and just couldn't. So far (and it's very early) the 15+L is a cab that I'm liking right off the bat. Time will tell whether it goes, stays or what but I always enjoy dealing with Jorg - he's a great guy.

[Tony G]

Originally Posted by Vic

I'd love to hear a pair of 8ohm versions of these driven by an F1 or LMII.

+1

[KJung]

Originally Posted by craigb

My 15+L arrived yesterday and I gave it a quick checkout. I love the size & weight - it's going to be enjoyable to cart around. Sonically I felt it lacked a bit in true lows (I'm comparing to Carvin LS1503s with 3015LFs in them) but with some low/low-mid eq bump I could get what I want/need out of it (I'm a 4-stringer only) and it seemed like 250W from my Yamaha BBT-500H (at 4 Ohms) was going to get plenty loud for me.

I tried several times to like the compact angled baffle Schroeders (1210L, 1212L) and just couldn't. So far (and it's very early) the 15+L is a cab that I'm liking right off the bat. Time will tell whether it goes, stays or what but I always enjoy dealing with Jorg - he's a great guy.

+1 to all of the above. I've been pounding on mine for a few weeks now, and the cab continues to impress. As you point out, and I tried to make clear in my earlier comments, given the big speaker in the very small box, the low end is more 'punchy' than full and deep. I actually find this to be a positive (i.e., the small cabs that have deep low end extension don't seem to be capable of projecting that deep bass out into the audience anyway).

Also, +1 to the small baffle cabs. While amazingly punchy and loud, they just had too many 'peaks and valleys' for me. The 115L, while very mid oriented, is still very even from the upper bass through the upper treble. It's the perfect cab for those who like a somewhat 'bridge pickup' tone (i.e., playing close to the bridge with the bridge pickup slighly favored). It's tight and articulate and even, with no mush down low.

As others have pointed out, I assume coupling two of them would greatly extend the low end. That would be killer IMO!

I've found the best description for this cab is that it sounds like a 110 cab that somehow puts out 6db more of sound. It has that tight, quick, mid forward tone with that bit of low end compression, like many small 110 cabs I've played, but it gets exponentially louder. Pretty cool.

[5StringPocket]

Originally Posted by Vic
I'd love to hear a pair of 8ohm versions of these driven by an F1 or LMII.

+1, and for more of a rock oriented tone the new GK M2-500 might be a very nice match with these. The low end of this new GK micro along with the coupling provided with two 15+L's stacked should be formidable. I'd love to hear a pair of 8ohm 15+L alongside a Berg AE410. Using the same amp, two 12's aren't quite a match for a 410 but two 15's with the attack of 12's is another matter. Both would handle 800W and weigh in around 60 lbs. At that point it might just be form factor that tips the preference one way or the other. A 62 lb compact 410 cab with castors is very convenient to move but a pair of 30 lb boxes only 17"H and 14"D would be a breeze. Being able to use one or both would be nice and the 34"H stack should provide great onstage monitoring.

[Eublet]

Originally Posted by 5StringPocket

+1, and for more of a rock oriented tone the new GK M2-500 might be a very nice match with these. The low end of this new GK micro along with the coupling provided with two 15+L's stacked should be formidable. I'd love to hear a pair of 8ohm 15+L alongside a Berg AE410. Using the same amp, two 12's aren't quite a match for a 410 but two 15's with the attack of 12's is another matter. Both would handle 800W and weigh in around 60 lbs. At that point it might just be form factor that tips the preference one way or the other. A 62 lb compact 410 cab with castors is very convenient to move but a pair of 30 lb boxes only 17"H and 14"D would be a breeze. Being able to use one or both would be nice and the 34"H stack should provide great onstage monitoring.

I've been thinking about that as well. I've not had any volume issues with a 212, so perhaps dual 15+'s would be just a bit more. I've been told by several that the ae410 has a slight advantage over the NeoX 212 in terms of volume, and I would expect that. I wonder how much closer two 15+'s would be.

But on the other hand I really want a 4 ohm 15+ to get the full headroom out of the LMII. Like others, I've noticed that it doesn't have the same feel at 8 ohms as it does at 4. With my Neox 112, volume isn't an issue at all for the gigs I choose to take it. But the LMII doesn't handle that situation quite as well. For example, with the GBE 1200 on the 112, it is game over. But the LMII compresses a bit when pushed. However, the LMII REALLY drives the heck out the 212, and approaches the feel of the GBE 1200 a bit more. Not nearly as dynamic feeling at full bore, but enough to really be impressive. If I could get that kind of feel out of a small, 30lb 15+, I think it would go to most of my smaller gigs, especially since the 112 covered all those with relative ease anyway.

[Eublet]

Okay, so I am ordering one of these from Jorg today! Can't wait to get it in. I think this will be exactly what I've been looking for.

[CElton]

Originally Posted by Eublet

Okay, so I am ordering one of these from Jorg today! Can't wait to get it in. I think this will be exactly what I've been looking for.

Congrats...looking forward to your review.

[lo-freq]

Originally Posted by CElton

Congrats...looking forward to your review.

+1




And "HEY!" somebody needs to buy two 8 ohm 115L+ and review them (preferably with a Markbass F1).


Thanks ahead of time!

[Eublet]

Originally Posted by lo-freq

+1




And "HEY!" somebody needs to buy two 8 ohm 115L+ and review them (preferably with a Markbass F1).


Thanks ahead of time!

I'm sure this would kill, and I almost did just that, but I really don't need to of them. However, if I really like this one, I just might sell it and get two 8 ohm versions instead! You never know!

[burk48237]

If anyone has read any of my previous reviews of Schroder cabs you'll know that I am not for the most part a fan of the Schoder "sound". While I feel Jorgs cabs do capture the "lot of sound in a small box" thing exceptionally well, especially the lightweights. And I get why some like them. I found the boxy up front mid-range almost ear fatiguing. We'll I played Kens 115L, a couple of weeks ago, and it re-writes the book on these cabs. Small, Loud, but with a great tone. This is a really incredible cabinet.

[Red Planet]

Yes I believe this SH15 Cab is something needed to check out. Especially since it is available in a 4 ohm versdion for all you stick a Shuttle in it make a little powerful rig folks.

When Money gets better I'll be having one of these Schoreder Cabs for sure. I can deall with some in your face Mids.

[T. Alan Smith]

I'm surprised no one's compared this to SWR's SOB cab. I used to own an SOB and KJung's description closely matches my thoughts on the SOB.

[::::BASSIST::::]

As Ken and others have mentioned, sticking two drivers into one box does not sounds as even as one driver in one box. So... how would a 1515L compare to a 15L? I am guessing the 15L would sound more even due to the reasons above, but a 2-15 must really move air and possibly give some good lows (?)

At a mere 40LBS the 1515L is very tempting, but at the same time I don't want another low-mid focused cab like the 1210/1212.

Anyone compared these two cabs?

[Eublet]

Originally Posted by ::::BASSIST::::

As Ken and others have mentioned, sticking two drivers into one box does not sounds as even as one driver in one box. So... how would a 1515L compare to a 15L? I am guessing the 15L would sound more even due to the reasons above, but a 2-15 must really move air and possibly give some good lows (?)

At a mere 40LBS the 1515L is very tempting, but at the same time I don't want another low-mid focused cab like the 1210/1212.

Anyone compared these two cabs?

I know what your saying, but for clarity it's the size of the box that matters, not how many drivers are in it. Those 1210 and 1212 cabs are SMALL boxes, typically holding only one driver in other designs, so cramming two drivers in there really adds a throaty character to the tone. I've not heard the 1515L, but I'd assume it would have a low-mid character as well, and would be missing the deeper lows that a traditional 2x15 has. But this of course is Jorg's intent. He's trying to make cabs that cut through the mix and give the bass player a definitive presence, and they work for that.

[KJung]

Originally Posted by Eublet

I know what your saying, but for clarity it's the size of the box that matters, not how many drivers are in it. Those 1210 and 1212 cabs are SMALL boxes, typically holding only one driver in other designs, so cramming two drivers in there really adds a throaty character to the tone. I've not heard the 1515L, but I'd assume it would have a low-mid character as well, and would be missing the deeper lows that a traditional 2x15 has. But this of course is Jorg's intent. He's trying to make cabs that cut through the mix and give the bass player a definitive presence, and they work for that.

+1... and also, from what I understand (and also hear), the baffle mount design drives that big low mid bump (and the seeming dip in the upper mids) of those particular cabs. It's again, not an inherently bad thing, but it does impart that voicing of those particular cabs that so many love and quite a few hate.

[KJung]

Hey guys. I finally got this cab out on a gig. As luck would have it, I played the same room I played a while back with my 8 ohm Bergantino HS210. The room is actually a little much for a small cab (it's a big banquet room on top of the beautiful Chase Hotel in St. Louis), but it's one of the worst load ins in town. So, that room is one of the few times I actually compromise my tone and bring a small rig on a small hand cart. I played both gigs with my Sadowsky RV5 and the LMII.

Well, first the good (actually great). This cab pretty much smoked my HS210. I think this is partially due to the LMII sounding much better run at 4ohms versus really pushed at 8, but also the voicing of the 115L worked particularly well with those other components. The cab got a much nicer upper mid growl, and the top end was not as compressed sounding when slapping as the HS210 at loud volumes (again, to be honest, too loud for either cab).

The 115L stayed tight and clean, and quite even. VERY, very impressive, given that it is about 2/3's the size and 20 pounds lighter than the HS210.

The 'maybe not so good' is that this cab, while quite even (MUCH more even than the 1212L I had) still has a LOT of that Schroeder tone in it. While it doesn't have the big low mid hump and upper mid hole of the 1210 and 1212 (to my ear), it does have that similar lower mid push and somewhat compressed sounding (tight would be the positive way to say it) low end. This is NOT inherently a bad thing at all, and I dig it (it's a total keeper). It has plenty of growl and articulation and punch, and matches up with the LMII beautifully. Even slapping at high volumes didn't make this cab flinch (although again, it won't put a 'low end pillow' under a band) This sort of voicing works VERY well to get maximum volume from a very small cab in a busy mix.

So, I give it high marks in general, and it is definitely my favorite Schro cab by a wide margin. If you need maximum volume from the smallest box possible, with a surprising amoung of upper bass/low mids from such a small box, it's quite amazing. It's a keeper!!!!!!