second cab for more low end: 1x15 or a 1x18 sub?

hanky · #1 10-12-2010, 10:35 PM

hi guys

i just got a GB Shuttle 9.0 (900w 4ohms or 500w 8ohms) and a GK 210MBE (2x10 400w) and i want to add a second cab.
i got the 2x10 because is really light, but doesnt have decent low end, so i thought about a 1x15 or something like that.

sadly the offer of bass gear is really bad here in chile
the only stuff i found was a 1x15 bass cabs a a few PA passive 1x18 Subs.

alternatives:

Bass gear:
1. Peavey 115 tvx: 250w rms, 500w program, 8 ohms, $US 500. im a little afraid about pushing the (potential) 450w from the amp to a 250w rms speaker.
http://www.peavey.com/products/brows...%208%20ohm.cfm

Subs:

2. Wharfedale EVP-18 Sub: 600w rms, 4ohms $US 400. i dont know if is a good idea to use a sub as a straight bass gear. also is 4ohms, so i should use the high freq output (>150hz)
http://www.wharfedalepro.com/Home/Pr...1/Default.aspx

3. Wharfedale DLX-18B Sub: 500w, 8ohms. $US 500. is just like the other sub, just nicer. also i dont know how good is this brand...

what you guys think?

is a crazy idea to use a sub on a bass rig?
are those decent enough?
are 500-450w from the shuttle too much for the peavey?

thanks!!

taurus1 · #2 10-13-2010, 12:35 AM

I've had numerous (3 at least) single 15 cabs and all of them were disappointing. I strongly advice against the 1x15, I've had 1x18 cabs that were much better, you actually got some bottom end out of them. adding another 2x10 would make a huge difference as well, I'd probably go that route instead.

Son of Bovril · #3 10-13-2010, 01:31 AM

+1 I suggest getting another 210 of the same kind

bongomania · #4 10-13-2010, 01:38 AM

+2! In fact a second 2x10 is almost certain to get you better results than adding a 15 or an 18. Everyone thinks a 15 or an 18 will have deeper lows, but something like 90% of the time those big speakers are put in a cab that's too small, resulting in pathetic low-frequency performance.

MNAirHead · #5 10-13-2010, 04:25 AM

Why not just report your cab

woody357 · #6 10-13-2010, 05:57 AM

A regular 210 will sound a lot better in the low end, but those MBE cabinets are not going to give it to you. They can get loud, but they are not voice for that low end at loud volumes. You gave up low end when you went for lite weight, a Neo cabinet would have been a better choice, lite weight, but still have good low end. Whatever you get make it a full size cabinet, not a micro cabinet I think you will be happier with the over all sound.

allenhf · #7 10-13-2010, 06:01 AM

Try a 2x12, more low end without the flab of a 15 or 18. Although, not as tight and punchy as 10's.

billfitzmaurice · #8 10-13-2010, 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by allenhf

Try a 2x12, more low end without the flab of a 15 or 18. Although, not as tight and punchy as 10's.

-1. Driver size alone does not determine response.

Quote:

+1 I suggest getting another 210 of the same kind

+1.

Quote:

A regular 210 will sound a lot better in the low end, but those MBE cabinets are not going to give it to you. They can get loud, but they are not voice for that low end at loud volumes.

Read this:
Just opened up my 210MBE...

An hours work and a few dollars in materials are all it takes to make the 210MBE what it should have been when you bought it.

Bmorefoozler · #9 10-13-2010, 08:03 AM

With that sort of power and lowend requirements yoiu should be looking at SOMETHING loaded with a 3015LF... Fearful, Barefaced, LDS, BFM ...

And stuff the 210MBE and keep it for a small cab, when yoiu want that sort of thing.

RedLeg · #10 10-13-2010, 08:05 AM

always wanted a Big Ben, but my back (and car) can only handle the Son of Bertha. I have played through both. I can discern no difference and actually the Henry 8x8 sounded "lower" than my 2x10+15.

anonymous02282011 · #11 10-13-2010, 08:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billfitzmaurice

-1. Driver size alone does not determine response.
+1.
Read this:
Just opened up my 210MBE...

An hours work and a few dollars in materials are all it takes to make the 210MBE what it should have been when you bought it.

+1

and stack the two 2x10 vertically for best dispersion

woody357 · #12 10-13-2010, 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billfitzmaurice

-1. Driver size alone does not determine response.
+1.
Read this:
Just opened up my 210MBE...

An hours work and a few dollars in materials are all it takes to make the 210MBE what it should have been when you bought it.

Why buy it if you have to go inside it, spend more money and work on it to make it sound right.

tekhedd · #13 10-13-2010, 12:24 PM

If you read the entire thread, you probably have the idea. A second cabinet of the same kind will match up well, but the down side is that you will now have two higher-voiced cabs instead of a deeper one.

Anything voiced deeper will work, regardless of the drivers, if you use a crossover. Otherwise, definitely try before buying.

anonymous02282011 · #14 10-13-2010, 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by woody357

Why buy it if you have to go inside it, spend more money and work on it to make it sound right?

Because it's cheaper than other cabs, even with the little bit of work you have to do to dampen it, and at the end of the day you have a cab with a name brand logo on it.

JimmyM · #15 10-13-2010, 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tekhedd

If you read the entire thread, you probably have the idea. A second cabinet of the same kind will match up well, but the down side is that you will now have two higher-voiced cabs instead of a deeper one.

Anything voiced deeper will work, regardless of the drivers, if you use a crossover. Otherwise, definitely try before buying.

sorry, wrong. another non-matched cab could end up phasing the first cab out so much that you could make things even worse. and when you add together two matched cabs, you get a significant increase in low end response, something like 3 or 4 db. you may not be able to create a big booming 40 hz but you will create quite a bit more usable low end.