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05-01-2010, 10:15 AM
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The Berg NV412 may be a bit much for my three piece band. I was wondering what cab has the same vibe in a smaller package? Does the NV412 have to be pushed hard to deliver or does it sound just as good at moderate volumes?
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05-01-2010, 10:18 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: belgium | | | I think you're in the wrong forum! |
05-01-2010, 12:15 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Dallas, TX | | | You mean like a 212? or something? Those NV cabs are awesome, and garner lots of love around here, but a 412 would be too big for me, too. I have a 215 that hasn't been outside the house in over a year. Currently, my 212 of choice is a Genz Benz Uber 212. Check out the Ubers, you may be impressed. I was, still am.
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05-01-2010, 12:59 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Metairie, LA | | I checked them out but they are front ported cabs, not a sealed cab like the NV. I wouldn't expect it to sound similar, but haven't had a chance to hear either. Closest Berg dealer is 8 hours away at best. The goofy thing is it seems a 212 may be harder to move than a 412 that leans back and rolls. With a 412, I'll be the guy with a hand grenade at the knife fight. 
Just wanted to know if I smaller cab delivers the mojo like a NV 412 is said to? |
05-01-2010, 01:11 PM
|  | Registered User | | Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Canada. | | | Is it the cab size and weight that you object to or do you think it is too much "cab for the job?. It sounds good at all volumes to my ear. |
05-01-2010, 01:19 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Metairie, LA | | | I think it's too much cab for the job although I am presently using a 410. |
05-01-2010, 04:44 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: May 2006 Location: riverside, ca | | | in theory, a 4x12 shouldn't be that much louder than a 4x10. you're really only adding 8 inches of speaker surface. my nv610 sounds just fine at low volumes too. i wouldn't worry about the "grenade to a knife fight" thing. no matter what, that nv412 will look great on stage and your tone likely won't suffer at all
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05-01-2010, 04:55 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Bethesda, Maryland | | Quote:
Originally Posted by mattq  in theory, a 4x12 shouldn't be that much louder than a 4x10. you're really only adding 8 inches of speaker surface. my nv610 sounds just fine at low volumes too. i wouldn't worry about the "grenade to a knife fight" thing. no matter what, that nv412 will look great on stage and your tone likely won't suffer at all | No, you are adding 8 inches of speaker radius/diameter. Not sure what they are measured in. The WHOLE SURFACE AREA of a speaker is much, much more than it's radius/diameter/whatever they use when they say 8,10,12 etc
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05-10-2010, 01:22 PM
|  | Registered User | | Join Date: May 2003 Location: Los Angeles, CA | | Quote:
Originally Posted by Hollywars No, you are adding 8 inches of speaker radius/diameter. Not sure what they are measured in. The WHOLE SURFACE AREA of a speaker is much, much more than it's radius/diameter/whatever they use when they say 8,10,12 etc | I believe he's correct. You have to measure surface area, or area of a circle. I think if you use the 3.14(Radius)Squared x Amount of Speakers, you should see that the surface area of a 4x12 is actually closer to a 6x10. |
05-10-2010, 01:24 PM
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05-10-2010, 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by rockstarbassist The NV412 is the smallest 412 of all the big hitters (Mesa, Aguilar, G-K, etc..) already! | I think the Schroeder BMF 412 is lighter, but that's about it. |
05-10-2010, 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Poon I think the Schroeder BMF 412 is lighter, but that's about it. | Ahh, good call- but even then it's not really a ton smaller! I'm repeatedly surprised about how compact and tight these are for being 412/610/215 cabs. |
05-10-2010, 02:46 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Montreal | | | My touring rig is the NV412. My clubs rig is two old EX112!! I'm using my Demeter/Crest head on both and never change the EQ! Just plug and play! I Found them similar in tone and feel. For sure the 412 move a lot of air and have bigger lows!!! Any way, why you don't go with two Berg EX112ER ??? |
05-10-2010, 04:26 PM
|  | Registered User | | Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Clearwater, FL | | | Area of circle is equal to pi(r)(r). Aka pi r squared (can't figure out how to get the symbols I need out of this keyboard.
A 4x10's speaker area = (4)(3.14)(5)(5)=100(3.14) sq.inches= 314 sq inches.
4x12= 4(3.14)(6)(6)= 144(3.14) sq inches= 452.16 sq inches
452-314= 138/314= .439 x 100%= Just about 44 % more speaker surface area in the 4x12 over the 4x10. | | Thread Tools | Search this Thread | | | | 
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