Some advice: Gallien Krueger vs. Baer - Page 3

KJung · #41 01-21-2013, 05:59 AM

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Thanks Kjung. This is making me want to try the Baer. The GK is great for me about 98% of the time but occasionally I'll play with a really loud band or horrible sounding room where I wish I could push it just a bit more. I like some highs in my sound but usually have the tweeter down most of the way. May have to try the Baer at some point. Is 300 watts enough to get the Baer going?

Yes, the typical micro running at 300 watts at 8ohms would be fine to get good performance from that cab. It can use more watts though, and 450-500 would be optimum to take advantage of the powerful low end capability of that cab.

steve_rolfeca · #42 01-21-2013, 09:09 AM

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Yes, the typical micro running at 300 watts at 8ohms would be fine to get good performance from that cab. It can use more watts though, and 450-500 would be optimum to take advantage of the powerful low end capability of that cab.

Hey, Ken. Just an FYI that the OP was thinking in terms of the ML 212, not the 112...

KJung · #43 01-21-2013, 09:28 AM

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Hey, Ken. Just an FYI that the OP was thinking in terms of the ML 212, not the 112...

Ah, well of course, that will be louder and more full sounding due to the higher efficiency. Not sure what amp he's talking about, since that is pretty low wattage at 4ohms.

The point is, the ML's aren't the MOST efficient cab, and they handle a lot of power, but it is pretty easy to get them wumping with moderate power (from my experience with amps like the LMII/III and ML112).

If I was considering a large, powerful cab like the ML212, I'd get an amp that made the best use of those spec's myself. If I didn't need the wump, I'd get an ML112!

tombowlus · #44 01-21-2013, 10:01 AM

I own both stacks and have gigged both stacks. The GK Neo112-II's continue to amaze me every time I use them. Yes, I suppose you could get them to bottom out in the lows, but you have to try to do so, IME/IMHO. If you adjust the EQ properly, those cabs can take a lot and put out a lot, IME/IMHO. I find the tone to be very clear and very full. The tweeters sound pretty nice to my ear, but I back them off a bit, too. If anything, though, I'll admit that the tweeter isn't the Neo112-II's strongest selling point. It's not really a "weak link," though, IME/IMHO (I keep saying that, sorry!).

That all being said, after having these cabs for a while, now, and using them in a variety of situations, I am a full-on ML-112 fanboi! Those cabs work so darned well for me, it's ridiculous. They have a full, tight low end - and you can give them about as much low-end boost as you want, and they still won't flinch. I like the articulation through the upper mids, and they extend as high as I will ever need. They are crazy light, nicely compact, but sound huge. They like almost any head I pair with them, including tube power.

Considering you goals, willsellout, I honestly think that either setup will do you quite well. If money were not a factor, I would favor the Baers. If money is a factor, I'd go GK and not feel any need to apologize about it. Ultimately, though, your personal preferences may - and should - steer you to one or the other.

tombowlus · #45 01-21-2013, 10:06 AM

I found a post I made in this older thread where I made this exact comparison:

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Okay, I just did this comparison. Interestingly, these cabs are almost exactly the same size (though the GK's are lighter). There are certainly some similarities between the two stacks (I compared two of each cab, stacked vertically, with the WalkAbout and a couple of different basses). The ML-112's had more upper midrange presence, and the GK's had more low mid fullness, and some definite growl going on in the lower mids. The GK's were, much like the AE212, bigger and wider down low, and the Baer cabs were again more tight and controlled. In this comparison, the Baer stack was definitely the smoother of the two, and the highs from the ML-112's seemed to be more clear and smooth. The GK's had more string noise and other potentially "non-musical" content up high, which is not so surprising, considering that their tweeters probably extend a good bit higher. As far as musical content is concerned, though, those mids on the Baers cover it all, for sure.

In summary, the GK's were more full down low and through the low-mids, and had some inherent growl in the lower to middle mids. The Baers were more focused and tight down low, more present in the upper mids, more clear higher up, and smoother overall from top to bottom.

Hope this helps.

willsellout · #46 01-21-2013, 10:32 AM

Based on those descriptions with the low mid and growl of the GK 112's it sounds like they would be more up my alley tonally that the upper mid present Baer, as long as I turned the tweeter down. Does anyone know if the GK 212 has a similar tonal profile? That's not to say the Baer isn't in my tonal arena as well. This seems to just get tougher to decide.

tombowlus · #47 01-21-2013, 10:36 AM

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Does anyone know if the GK 212 has a similar tonal profile?

It does. Possibly a bit more even across the mids.

willsellout · #48 01-21-2013, 10:39 AM

Great. I think I'm going to just have to make a decision and see how it works out. Both of the companies offerings would work out well. Money is a factor, but I also firmly believe in a "buy once cry once" mentality.

MNAirHead · #49 01-21-2013, 10:44 AM

I'm not certain that many of us have tried them both side by side....

I recently went on your quest and converted to gk for several reasons

ljazz · #50 01-22-2013, 02:52 AM

I haven't tried the Baer's, but I do have to agree with Tom on the low mid growl factor in the GK's (I actually think of it more as some low mid grunt). I love the tone of my 700rbII pushing that 112. It gets down right throaty, and sits beautifully in the mix. I really wish I could get that same tone out of my neo212. I think three of the 112's being pushed by your 800rb will sound incredible. I push a pair of the 112's with my old (but newer to me) 400rb, and it kills. (LOL, I love talking about my GK rig(s), 'cuz it kills some of the GAS I have for a TH500 and a Dually)

KJung · #51 01-22-2013, 10:34 AM

FYI, I put a few clips up of the Baer ML112 with various amps and instruments on the Baer mega thread (post 922). Might give you a useful data point, since not many can hear these cabs prior to buying.

willsellout · #52 01-22-2013, 10:46 AM

I saw those and will be watching them when I get home tonight. Thank you!

KJung · #53 01-22-2013, 10:47 AM

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I saw those and will be watching them when I get home tonight. Thank you!

Cool. If you have decent phones, they will give you at least some idea of how these cabs sound (at least with me playing my instruments and amps!).

Bassist30 · #54 01-22-2013, 07:11 PM

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FYI, I put a few clips up of the Baer ML112 with various amps and instruments on the Baer mega thread (post 922). Might give you a useful data point, since not many can hear these cabs prior to buying.

Did get an idea on these cabs. Curious why didnt you play the Aguilar with these cabinets. Would had love to hear it.
Maybe next time you can play it next to the TC15 or the or the 12. Audiokinesis has a nice extended low but I would like to see if it was noticeable. I know hearing it on youtube isn't a great spotlight as far as sound but I wanted to see how it ranks with cabinets with a good low end also. Playing it next to the berg was very similar. Not sure if it was for me as I never thought the berg has a big low end. Not saying it in a bad way at all. I still like the AE410 I have. But what I heard it sounds nice. But very similar.

KJung · #55 01-22-2013, 07:16 PM

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Did get an idea on these cabs. Curious why didnt you play the Aguilar with these cabinets. Would had love to hear it.
Maybe next time you can play it next to the TC15 or the or the 12. Audiokinesis has a nice extended low but I would like to see if it was noticeable. I know hearing it on youtube isn't a great spotlight as far as sound but I wanted to see how it ranks with cabinets with a good low end also.

I'm out of the clip business. Just put these old ones back up per some requests from Tbers.