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11-23-2012, 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by wcoffey81 would it be a better choice to look for cables with "better" shielding than to just look for lower gauge? | Shielded cable is not typically recommended for speakers. |
11-23-2012, 11:18 AM
| | | | Anyone telling you that high-end speaker cables (or any cables for that matter) make a difference is dealing you snake oil, and does not understand basic physics.
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11-23-2012, 12:34 PM
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Endorsing Artist: Genz Benz Amplification | | Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Nashville | | | So... You're playing through a B2R and you're worried that your CABLE is affecting your tone? |
11-23-2012, 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Zoa  Anyone telling you that high-end speaker cables (or any cables for that matter) make a difference is dealing you snake oil, and does not understand basic physics. | There are a lot of things unexplained that basic physics cannot explain. Why does there always have to be a reason for someone's beliefs.
Why do people buy Mercedes instead of Volkswagons...they both get you there...
Why do people buy a swimming pool for $50K that they use once a week and beret people who spent $50K on a home theater as wasting money...
Why do people buy a 10K custom bass when a $100 hits the same notes....
You double blind guys just need to ignore these threads and enjoy your ipods.
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11-23-2012, 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by dincz Keep looking - it's not the speaker cable | There's a weaker link than the speaker cable - It's the power cable that connects your amp to the power mains. The more expensive power cables can make your sound sparkle. 
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11-23-2012, 01:20 PM
|  | Registered User | | Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA | | | I'm not an audiophile but have decent gear at home and have spent plenty of time reading gear reviews, listening to different products in stores and trying various amps, speakers, cables, headphones etc. I appreciate that there are audible differences that can be heard between various components and yes even differences in speaker cable. I hear most of those differences under critical listening conditions, choosing music that is well recorded, sitting in a quite room and listening very carefully to certain passages. As someone who enjoys music and enjoys it even more when it is reproduced with good quality, I have and will continue to invest reasonable amounts of $$ when appropriate into improving that experience.
This is not one of those situations. Different frequencies, different application, different environment.
If it makes you feel better about your rig then by all means buy a fat, pricey cable but know that it will not sound any different than the one you currently have. There are so many other places where that money could be better spent.
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11-23-2012, 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Stephent28 Why do people buy Mercedes instead of Volkswagons...they both get you there...
Why do people buy a swimming pool for $50K that they use once a week and beret people who spent $50K on a home theater as wasting money...
Why do people buy a 10K custom bass when a $100 hits the same notes.... | In the first and last cases - because there are both perceptible and measurable differences.
The influence of cables as far as I know has never been proved to be either discernible or measurable.
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11-23-2012, 01:55 PM
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11-23-2012, 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Stephent28 There are a lot of things unexplained that basic physics cannot explain. Why does there always have to be a reason for someone's beliefs. | With the possibly exception of politics, the audiophile industry has got to be the WORST for trying to convince people to "forget the numbers, just go with your beliefs". Seriously, it's insane how determined many sectors of this industry are to NOT learn more, and how uninterested fans are in learning more about what they like.
Seen way too many forums go that route. Best thing about forums like this one is being able to open any number of threads where people actually discuss and try to figure out how the numbers and the RL experiences mesh together, and how to make things even better in the future. |
11-23-2012, 02:33 PM
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11-23-2012, 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Stephent28 Why do people buy Mercedes instead of Volkswagons...they both get you there... | Their performance can be objectively determined to be different. One might just have more comfortable seats, or a quieter interior, but those count as measurable differences in function. Quote:
Originally Posted by Stephent28 Why do people buy a swimming pool for $50K that they use once a week and beret people who spent $50K on a home theater as wasting money... | You just made that up. Quote:
Originally Posted by Stephent28 Why do people buy a 10K custom bass when a $100 hits the same notes.... | Again, there can be objectively-identified differences in their fit, finish, and function. Quote:
Originally Posted by Stephent28 Why does there always have to be a reason for someone's beliefs. | Beliefs are fine, in the way that you and a couple others are saying here, like "it makes me happy and that's all that matters". The problem is when newer players, young people, and others who do not have money to burn are misled to believe that they'll get better tone if they pay two days' wages for each new cable.
Imagine it pleases me to believe that fairies provide tone. Harmless, right? Now what if I charge everyone $100 for authorized fairy tone? |
11-23-2012, 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by bongomania Imagine it pleases me to believe that fairies provide tone. Harmless, right? Now what if I charge everyone $100 for authorized fairy tone? | Any authorized dealers in NE Ohio, or is this direct sale, only?  
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11-23-2012, 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by bongomania Imagine it pleases me to believe that fairies provide tone. Harmless, right? Now what if I charge everyone $100 for authorized fairy tone? | Criley-Core Technologies has done extensive research in this area. I can state unequivocally that, although fairies can provide tone suitable for jazz and C&W, gnomes provide a tone more suitable for rock and metal.
Our "Fairy Dust" and "Metro Gnome" Tone Enhancement products will be available after the 1st of the year...for considerably more than Bongo's $100. Preorders being accepted now. 
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11-23-2012, 04:47 PM
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Originally Posted by wcriley Criley-Core Technologies has done extensive research in this area. I can state unequivocally that, although fairies can provide tone suitable for jazz and C&W, gnomes provide a tone more suitable for rock and metal.
Our "Fairy Dust" and " Metro Gnome" Tone Enhancement products will be available after the 1st of the year...for considerably more than Bongo's $100. Preorders being accepted now. | 
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11-23-2012, 06:05 PM
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i have a collection of tone fairys and gnomes from the '50s which sound way better than any of the new ones!
anyway, with the speaker cable, think of it like a car going down a road. if the road is too narrow, you can't go very fast; a wider road will let you get up to speed comfortably. but: once the road is wide enough to not slow you down, making it wider still makes no more difference.
a few feet of 14AWG cable is more than "wide enough" for that rig, so making it "wider" than that will make no more difference.
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11-23-2012, 06:29 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Sunnyvale, CA | | | Don't worry about it. There is no significant loss/difference in terms of both power and response because the cable is too short.
I'm an engineer as well as a bass player. |
11-23-2012, 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by walterw please
i have a collection of tone fairys and gnomes from the '50s which sound way better than any of the new ones! | Come on now, you spelled fairies wrong, how are we going to believe anything else you say!
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11-23-2012, 07:47 PM
| | Walter Woods or Aguilar to LDS - the best! | | Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: NE Ohio | | Quote:
Originally Posted by walterw ...anyway, with the speaker cable, think of it like a car going down a road. if the road is too narrow, you can't go very fast; a wider road will let you get up to speed comfortably.
but: once the road is wide enough to not slow you down, making it wider still makes no more difference.
a few feet of 14AWG cable is more than "wide enough" for that rig, so making it "wider" than that will make no more difference. | This is probably the best analogy I have read on the subject, you explained it perfectly!
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11-23-2012, 08:26 PM
|  | Registered User | | Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Bothell, WA | | | The placebo effect is a well documented phenomena, so it is very possible you will "hear" a difference. |
11-23-2012, 09:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Jeff Scott Come on now, you spelled fairies wrong, how are we going to believe anything else you say! | ha!
i was actually under the impression that one spelling was for the little mythical creatures and the other was for the somewhat archaic insult term for men of a certain orientation, but a quick googling suggests that "fairys" is just plain incorrect.
my vintage tone gnomes are still the best, though.
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