SPEAKER CABLES!

[NOZMEDA]

Originally Posted by Bass_Pounder

Been done before, and still aound today (using real speakers though, not car audio).

It's called a P.A.

Haha. Right. I guess for what i was getting at, which was the crisp quality, id have to have my own venue dedicated to unrivaled sound quality. Fiber optic converters for every mic and line-output for everyone, that runs into a mixer which has a fiber receiver, into premium grade speakers that utilize the same amount of high technology. Sounds expensive.

[NOZMEDA]

Originally Posted by SactoBass

Nozmeda:

Based on my research, silver is a better conductor than copper.

The absolute best speaker cables I have found (and are the only ones I ever use for my bass rigs) are the Dominator Silverflex cables. I use 10 gauge "just because".

Here is a link to where I buy them:

http://eventhorizon-srv.com/ecommerc...9jmj5rv7dtrj10

Scroll down until you see "Horizon Dominator Silver" cables.

You can order them any length you want (even odd lengths that are not listed...just let Brandon know in the comments section). You can order them with whatever type of connector you want (Speakon is most common).

I'm not saying you will notice a difference in sound by using these speaker cables. But if you really want the best, these are the best IMO.

Sounds interesting. Ill check that out right away. I would imagine that if i used a silver speaker cable, in order to notice a difference, id have to also have silver instrument cables. And for that matter, anywhere in my head that touches my bass signal would have to be silver, and my cabinets internal wiring would have to be silver too. Right?

[Jeff Scott]

Originally Posted by NOZMEDA

Sounds interesting. Ill check that out right away. I would imagine that if i used a silver speaker cable, in order to notice a difference, id have to also have silver instrument cables. And for that matter, anywhere in my head that touches my bass signal would have to be silver, and my cabinets internal wiring would have to be silver too. Right?

Don't forget the wires in your pickups and within the bass' routing/control cavities/electronics. While you're at it better make sure the rest of the bass is made with top quality material, we wouldn't want, say, the wood the body and neck are made from to not produce the absolute sound that can be possible. How about the bridge and tuning keys, are they the best obtainable? How are they affecting the sound you hear? What about the nut, fingerboard, inlay material, frets? Now, let's think about what is pressing down on the strings (super high end strings, of course, right?), is the material that is in direct contact with the strings (putting the optimal amount of pressure at all times on those strings) have the highest possible sound production capability? Does musical ability actually matter so long as you have the absolute best tone coming out of those speakers?

[Mehve]

Originally Posted by NOZMEDA

Haha. Right. I guess for what i was getting at, which was the crisp quality, id have to have my own venue dedicated to unrivaled sound quality. Fiber optic converters for every mic and line-output for everyone, that runs into a mixer which has a fiber receiver, into premium grade speakers that utilize the same amount of high technology. Sounds expensive.

We already use a good method - balanced signal transmission. If you're going to be doing analog-digital conversion, it should be done properly, not crammed into a tiny microphone. Plus, can you imagine the life-expectancy of fibre-optic cables on stage? One "helpful" soul doing the elbow wrap boogie and you can kiss that cable goodbye.

Everything else - already an option. There are some awesome speakers available in many configurations, and top-notch amps and heads to drive them with. But unlike a car, which is a largely fixed environment, playing live involves all kinds of variables. Sounding good relies on you (and/or the sound person) being able to adapt to those variables quickly. There is no Awesome Button. There are, however, a lot of Suck Buttons in disguise sometimes.

[SactoBass]

Originally Posted by NOZMEDA

Sounds interesting. Ill check that out right away. I would imagine that if i used a silver speaker cable, in order to notice a difference, id have to also have silver instrument cables. And for that matter, anywhere in my head that touches my bass signal would have to be silver, and my cabinets internal wiring would have to be silver too. Right?

I do not believe you will hear any difference in sound. I think it's more of a mental thing of "feeling" like you have the best stuff (kinda like driving a Lamborghini instead of a Porsche........you just feel "extra special" in the Lambo). But they both get the job done just fine.

This thread is about speaker cables, so I don't want to derail it to talk about instrument cables (or internal amp wiring for that matter). There are lengthy threads on TB about the virtues of various instrument cables, and I am not going to enter that fun battle zone. But if you are interested in silver instrument cables, you might want to check out Zaolla Silverline instrument cables.

Enjoy!

[Mehve]

Originally Posted by NOZMEDA

Sounds interesting. Ill check that out right away. I would imagine that if i used a silver speaker cable, in order to notice a difference, id have to also have silver instrument cables. And for that matter, anywhere in my head that touches my bass signal would have to be silver, and my cabinets internal wiring would have to be silver too. Right?

It gets worse - you'd have to get rid of the copper inside those "silver" cables. Because they're just silver-plated copper, not pure. And good luck getting around the pesky copper inside the speakers. I'm pretty asking Faitel or Eminence to wrap their drivers with pure silver wire isn't going to go well.

[NOZMEDA]

@Jeff Scott- after all that, if you take what you said sarcastically or not, is valuable. If i take it sarcastically then it says " you can respect great bassists even if their gear sucks and you can not like a bassist even if they have the most top-notch gear available." If i take it literally, its kinda like a roadmap to developing the best bass system on the planet. Using only the highest quality...EVERYTHING... Makes sense. Why not, if you could afford it. If i had the money i would definitely make my own custom bass rig using the highest quality parts that humans can obtain so far. Highly elastic alloy sort of strings that live forever, fiber cabling, wood from some extinct trees in south america, platinum frets...(idk if thatd sound good) NASA developed speakers etc etc.

[SactoBass]

Originally Posted by Jeff Scott

Don't forget the wires in your pickups and within the bass' routing/control cavities/electronics. While you're at it better make sure the rest of the bass is made with top quality material, we wouldn't want, say, the wood the body and neck are made from to not produce the absolute sound that can be possible. How about the bridge and tuning keys, are they the best obtainable? How are they affecting the sound you hear? What about the nut, fingerboard, inlay material, frets? Now, let's think about what is pressing down on the strings (super high end strings, of course, right?), is the material that is in direct contact with the strings (putting the optimal amount of pressure at all times on those strings) have the highest possible sound production capability? Does musical ability actually matter so long as you have the absolute best tone coming out of those speakers?

Jeff, let's not forget the quality of AC power from the source. This will require a complete reconstruction of all power plants that are on the grid in the United States.

[NOZMEDA]

Wow. This got deep very quickly. Haha. Who knew speaker cables=grand scale bass tone philosophy.

[SactoBass]

Originally Posted by NOZMEDA

Wow. This got deep very quickly. Haha. Who knew speaker cables=grand scale bass tone philosophy.

...and grand scale bass tone philosophy = Talkbass!

[NOZMEDA]

Im gonna need my own private nuclear reactor to run my bass rig. Im gonna just make a 50mi diameter sub woofer, rupture every fault on earth, and while everyone and everything is in shambles, blow the planet out of orbit into the sun. And during those last moments, while everything is being destroyed, everyone will say "man, that bass tone is sick."

[makohund]

Originally Posted by NOZMEDA

Not sure about that. Example: a ps3 has an optical out and an a/v out. Through all the processing and software, the signal is digital. Or even audio from a cd. Thats digital. When the data is processed and ready for my big ears to hear, that digital sound will be higher quality when transferred fiber optically, as opposed to using copper. Ok so, in order to put this back on topic somehow; uhhh... Umm... Speaker cables.

I am sure about it.

SPDIF digital is the same, whether transferred by an optical cable or a coaxial cable. Some equipment provides both as outputs, and some equipment provides both as inputs. Others don't. Pretty sure the PS3 only provides the fiber optic (toslink) version.

The A/V out of a PS3 is not digital, it has been through a DA converter to allow you to use the device with equipment that does not have any (or any unused) digital toslink or HDMI inputs. (PS3 does send audio over HDMI, right? Don't know, XBox here.)

[SactoBass]

Originally Posted by NOZMEDA

Im gonna need my own private nuclear reactor to run my bass rig. Im gonna just make a 50mi diameter sub woofer, rupture every fault on earth, and while everyone and everything is in shambles, blow the planet out of orbit into the sun. And during those last moments, while everything is being destroyed, everyone will say "man, that bass tone is sick."

Yeah baby! That's why I have a custom made bass cab with eight of these speakers in it.........

[NOZMEDA]

Originally Posted by makohund

I am sure about it.

SPDIF digital is the same, whether transferred by an optical cable or a coaxial cable. Some equipment provides both as outputs, and some equipment provides both as inputs. Others don't. Pretty sure the PS3 only provides the fiber optic (toslink) version.

The A/V out of a PS3 is not digital, it has been through a DA converter to allow you to use the device with equipment that does not have any (or any unused) digital toslink or HDMI inputs. (PS3 does send audio over HDMI, right? Don't know, XBox here.)

Yeah. Ps3 runs audio through hdmi, which is copper obviously. I didnt realize there was a d2a in the system though. So back on subject, it seems possible that, in fact, a cable can make a sonic difference. Hdmi sounds better than a/v due to cable quality. The higher quality cable sounds better.

[NOZMEDA]

Originally Posted by SactoBass

Yeah baby! That's why I have a custom made bass cab with eight of these speakers in it.........

WHAT IS THAT?! If you really did have a cab with 8 of those... It would be like 50ft tall. I would almost put money on it that you can heat it in space

[lowfreq33]

Originally Posted by NOZMEDA

Yeah. Ps3 runs audio through hdmi, which is copper obviously. I didnt realize there was a d2a in the system though. So back on subject, it seems possible that, in fact, a cable can make a sonic difference. Hdmi sounds better than a/v due to cable quality. The higher quality cable sounds better.

Hdmi is digital, a/v is analog. Both cables are copper.

[NOZMEDA]

A two conductor is hardly high definition any way you look at it though.

[Jack]

I use bassic bits speaker cables for oh so many reasons.

They're a small business rather than a big company
The cables are indestructible and excellent quality
If they do break, Dave will take care of them for me
They were handmade, just for me. And don't I feel special?

I could go on, but none of these reasons have much to do with the gauge or ANYTHING to do with secret magical super cables. A bad cable can degrade your sound, NO cable, ever can improve it.



* Unless you count 'improving it' as fixing a broken or insufficient cable's sound.

[NOZMEDA]

Originally Posted by lowfreq33

Hdmi is digital, a/v is analog. Both cables are copper.

So maybe that could lead me to believe that the quality increase is from the sound source and has little to do with the speaker wire. Example: home theater systems utilize hdmi, but not out to the speakers themselves and they sound good. Its all about source apparently

[NOZMEDA]

Originally Posted by Jack

I use bassic bits speaker cables for oh so many reasons.

They're a small business rather than a big company
The cables are indestructible and excellent quality
If they do break, Dave will take care of them for me
They were handmade, just for me. And don't I feel special?

I could go on, but none of these reasons have much to do with the gauge or ANYTHING to do with secret magical super cables. A bad cable can degrade your sound, NO cable, ever can improve it.



* Unless you count 'improving it' as fixing a broken or insufficient cable's sound.

Agreeable. Its just hard to believe that if a signal is transmitted more purely, that it wont be better