Square 4x10 to vert 4x10 conversion?

[gregoire1]

Has anyone ever taken a square 4x10 cab and converted it to a more vertical configuration? (keeping the same volume and tuning). There are plenty of cheap 4x10 for sale used, most in battered boxes. May make and interesting project.

By vertical I mean, all drivers in a vertical line, or, a zig-zag configuration like Bergs, or Bag Ends.

[staindbass]

good question. if there is really an advantage using them vertically im surprised no one has marketed one for bass. if the comb filtering and cancellation is that bad im suprised any non vertically aligned cabs ever became popular.

[coreyfyfe]

Originally Posted by staindbass

good question. if there is really an advantage using them vertically im surprised no one has marketed one for bass. if the comb filtering and cancellation is that bad im suprised any non vertically aligned cabs ever became popular.

Until the recent spurt of micro heads came around I'd say there were very few heads that would have fit on top of a vertical stack of 10s. That and I doubt many people would be sold on the idea of buying a column instead of a box.

[gregoire1]

I guess I'm thinking about keeping a 20 inch width (still at least 4 inches narrower Thant most 4x10's) so a standard head will not overlap. I'm not too keen on a tall narrow column either.

[gregoire1]

Originally Posted by staindbass

good question. if there is really an advantage using them vertically im surprised no one has marketed one for bass. if the comb filtering and cancellation is that bad im suprised any non vertically aligned cabs ever became popular.

I think I remember Kustom having a vert 3x10 combo, drawing a blank on any others.

[Phendyr_Loon]

I often wondered about this vertically oriented 4x10 also.

Essentially it would be 8x10 split down the middle.

I'd find it most useful in a playing environment where your amp is used for the purposes of the only monitor, i.e. no IEM or stage wedges. Nothing is more aggravating to me than trying to hear a 4x10 cab which is aimed at your knees.

[Dethrats]

Originally Posted by Phendyr_Loon

Nothing is more aggravating to me than trying to hear a 4x10 cab which is aimed at your knees.

i CAN NOT agree with you more!

[markkoelsch]

I think it could be a cool project.

I do think the phase cancellation in a standard 4x10 is probably lousy, but we accept it as we are used to hearing it that way. It also depends on where you stand in relationship to the cab. If you walkacross an arc in front of the cab, and listen to it it will sound different at different points in the arc. In theory a vertical cab/line array type of arrangement should take care of this.

As to puting the amp on top of a narrow cab, set it alongside the cab. Problem solved.

[Rick Auricchio]

Originally Posted by staindbass

if there is really an advantage using them vertically im surprised no one has marketed one for bass.

Manufacturers don't want to spend money redesigning their wood-cutting templates and retooling the factory for small volume sales. They'd need a big "new, improved" reason to push sales, otherwise they can't justify extra engineering and setup expenses.

It's a bit of a chicken-and-egg situation with any new product. They don't want to build stuff till they know there will be sales. And we can't buy stuff until they build it...

I suppose Steve Jobs was one of the few people who somehow knew how to build things people would snap up.

[JimmyM]

Originally Posted by staindbass

good question. if there is really an advantage using them vertically im surprised no one has marketed one for bass. if the comb filtering and cancellation is that bad im suprised any non vertically aligned cabs ever became popular.

TC, despite their questionable wattage ratings, has with their 210's and 212's, and so did Ampeg with the SVT 210av's. Having said that, I still love a good 810, and have no problems with its beaming.

[BassmanPaul]

It would seem much simpler to me to get a pair of 2x10s and stack THEM vertically. it's what I do. You can see them in my avatar. I'm not a fan of trying to change something into what it's not.

[Jarrett]

Originally Posted by BassmanPaul

It would seem much simpler to me to get a pair of 2x10s and stack THEM vertically.

It really is. Much easier to transport and its modular. Small gig, take one 2x10, larger gig take both 2x10s and stack them. Another cool thing you can do with a pair of 2x10s (w/ a micro head) is put them side by side on the ground like a regular 4x10, but tilt one back. That fixes the whole "beam your knees" issue with a single 4x10.

Although with the power of micro amps going up and up, I can see someone bringing a vertical 4x10 to market. The cool thing is they could angle the top speaker up slightly to get it more towards the ear of the player as well.

What might be cool is a compact, micro head/neodymium-based vertical 4x10 combo. GK could do it. Take their MB800 and their ultralight cab tech and build one. Come out weighing like 46 lbs. with tilt back wheels on the bottom and a small handle on the back ala a SVT cab. Hmm, I might invest in that if it were on the market

[gregoire1]

Originally Posted by BassmanPaul

It would seem much simpler to me to get a pair of 2x10s and stack THEM vertically. it's what I do. You can see them in my avatar. I'm not a fan of trying to change something into what it's not.

It would be easier, but, there are at least 3 used 4x10's for sale locally, right now for $200 or less. It's just cheap enough to make me think.

[BassmanPaul]

Originally Posted by Jarrett

Another cool thing you can do with a pair of 2x10s (w/ a micro head) is put them side by side on the ground like a regular 4x10, but tilt one back. That fixes the whole "beam your knees" issue with a single 4x10.

Yes but this puts you back into the loss of dispersion territory.

[walterw]

more to the point, what are the odds that sawing an existing 4x10 in half will net you anything more than a pile of scrap plywood?

i suspect it would be easier to just make the vertical column from scratch, using the right math to get something that actually works.

[kringle77]

Low pass the speakers on one side of the cab at around 800hz 18db and run the other two full range. You will get the low end coupling of all four but almost the dispersion of a vertical stack. Im doing this with my bergantino nv610 and barfaced cabs is doing it with theirs.

[Stumbo]

Originally Posted by kringle77

Low pass the speakers on one side of the cab at around 800hz 18db and run the other two full range. You will get the low end coupling of all four but almost the dispersion of a vertical stack. Im doing this with my bergantino nv610 and barfaced cabs is doing it with theirs.

And tilt it back for better stage monitoring.

[steveksux]

I had some guy do a conversion like that once for me, it was a pretty impressive sight, let me tell you...



Randy

[gregoire1]

Originally Posted by walterw

more to the point, what are the odds that sawing an existing 4x10 in half will net you anything more than a pile of scrap plywood?

i suspect it would be easier to just make the vertical column from scratch, using the right math to get something that actually works.

Not sawing it in half, but, since the wooden box is beaten all to heck, build a new box, keep the same volume and tuning, reuse all drivers and electronics and.....new looking, custom, vertical 4x10!

Surely someone has done this.

[walterw]

oh, so just using the speakers, then. that makes a lot more sense.

as for "electronics", we're talking , what, some wire and a jackplate?