Standing a cab on end?

[Orpheus55]

I use a 2x10 Avatar cab driven by a PF500 that I used mainly as a stage monitor, as every gig we have has PA support; it's a low-lying cab, and I wonder if there are any disadvantages to standing it on end, with the amp atop the recessed handle area, rather than standing it horizontally. I would think I might lose some bass respnse. Anyone else do this?

[MontanaBassDude]

Stand it up if you want. Some will even argue that a side-by-side speaker array loses some disbursement due to a combing effect.

[scott123]

I hope not, I do it to my 4x10 all the time. It fits on the cart better, i just roll the cart onstage and go. Curious to hear responses from people that know.

[Downunderwonder]

On end eliminates comb filtering, not a big deal for band monitor, or maybe your drummer would enjoy hearing you better.

Walk across the room out at a distance next time you're at a smaller gig with only the backline 4x10 or 8x10. It sounds good right in front, nowhere else.

[CosmicRay]

I do the same thing with my 210 cabs. At a small gig, when I only use one of my 210 cabs, I stand it on it's end and place the micro amp on top of the recessed handle.

[billfitzmaurice]

Originally Posted by MontanaBassDude

Stand it up if you want. Some will even argue that a side-by-side speaker array loses some disbursement due to a combing effect.

There's no argument about it. The highs will comb, and the midrange dispersion is halved when drivers are side by side.

I would think I might lose some bass respnse.

You won't. It can seem that way, as having the drivers vertical as they should be makes it easier to hear the mids and highs.

[Orpheus55]

Well, this sound sgreat. As for combing effect, being quite bald, that's one less thing to worry about.

[RobJ]

I now set my TE 2x10 on end based on Bill's recommendations and I immediately noticed an improvement in overall sound and clarity. The drummer on the gig noticed it as well and liked what he heard.

[TomB]

Originally Posted by Orpheus55

Well, this sound sgreat. As for combing effect, being quite bald, that's one less thing to worry about.

I used a 2X10 that way for many years for small club gigs and it only made things better.

[Hammertime3]

Why don't they build them that way then???

[billfitzmaurice]

Originally Posted by Hammertime3

Why don't they build them that way then???

They 'look funny'.

[RobJ]

Actually my TE has "feet" on one end as well and is meant to be stood either way, vertical or horizontal.

[lowfreq33]

Even better, if you can raise it up closer to your ears on something solid.

[cchorney]

Stand it on end AND elevate it. Makes it much easier for you to hear. But maybe skip on my fashion statement.

Like this:

[rmayer]

Originally Posted by cchorney

Stand it on end AND elevate it. Makes it much easier for you to hear. But maybe skip on my fashion statement.

Like this:

Do you lose much low end response this way? I had a 2X10 Aguilar I used to stack on top of a Aggie 2X12. While the mids were punchy (out of the 2X10), there was a real drop in the low end compared to having the cabinet on the floor. The 2X12 low end was fine. I guess out in a room it balanced out, it sounded a bit thin to me right in front of it. Probably a bad spot to judge bass sound, Huh?

[lomo]

Definitely stand it on end, and if you have a pair, stack 'em vertically. As has ben pointed out above, you'll loose nothing and gain a few advantages. Your footprint will decrease and you be heard clearer at more places in the room and on stage.

[will33]

Originally Posted by rmayer

Do you lose much low end response this way? I had a 2X10 Aguilar I used to stack on top of a Aggie 2X12. While the mids were punchy (out of the 2X10), there was a real drop in the low end compared to having the cabinet on the floor. The 2X12 low end was fine. I guess out in a room it balanced out, it sounded a bit thin to me right in front of it. Probably a bad spot to judge bass sound, Huh?

The cancellations don't come into play and actually lose lowend until you get the speaker over at least 2 feet off the floor, 2.8 ft. = 100hz cancellation. Being able to hear mids and highs better can make it seem like you're losing bass but you're really not. If you step out into the room, away from the rig, the bass is still there. Raise it too high and yes, you can actually lose bass.

[rmayer]

Originally Posted by will33

The cancellations don't come into play and actually lose lowend until you get the speaker over at least 2 feet off the floor, 2.8 ft. = 100hz cancellation. Being able to hear mids and highs better can make it seem like you're losing bass but you're really not. If you step out into the room, away from the rig, the bass is still there. Raise it too high and yes, you can actually lose bass.

Hey Will33, Thanks for the info. I sold the 2X10, so I'm only using the 2X12 for now. I have a GS112 that I'm thinking of stacking on top, when I "need that push over the cliff"?? I think Gary Willis uses a DB750 with 3 GS112s. Interesting combo.
cchorney, don't worry about the fashion statement, I've seen Geddy in similar outfits a bunch of times....Ha!!

[billfitzmaurice]

Originally Posted by rmayer

Do you lose much low end response this way?

No. It has to be at least 2 1/2 feet off the floor to have a significant effect, and then it will be in the midbass, not the lows. Lifting it to kill some midbass can be helpful on boomy stages/rooms.

[Jim Carr]

This works well: