Starting to not like my GK Neo 212...

Murph_Orpheus · #1 06-03-2010, 10:02 PM

Does anyone else find this cab to be too trebley at times? I've run several heads through it recently like a Genz Benz 1200 and Mesa BB750 and each time I've found the notes honking at me all the time. I like a nice beefy low end but can't seem to find it with this cab. It's disappointing as I was going to buy the Neo 410 to pair up with it but now I'm afraid that the 410 will have the same kind of sound.

jelwood · #2 06-04-2010, 12:09 AM

Try a different room? Acoustics play a big part in everything. Have you experimented with the eq at all? I have a neo 412 and it can shake the galaxy with the lows, I'm finding it hard to believe that the 212 is simply lacking, it's got to be something with the acoustics.

jelwood · #3 06-04-2010, 12:11 AM

But on the other hand...if you're going to just get rid of it...I could definitely put it to good use

tombowlus · #4 06-04-2010, 12:36 AM

That is a fairly bright cab, and I find that biamping with a GK head gets me the best results.

ljazz · #5 06-04-2010, 02:35 AM

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Originally Posted by tombowlus

That is a fairly bright cab, and I find that biamping with a GK head gets me the best results.

+1...... the HMS is a good thing.

I've heard some say the 410 has too much low end.

chiplexic · #6 06-04-2010, 07:04 AM

I've played the GK Neo 410 a few times in a bass demo room at GC. Comparing it to other 4x10's in the room I'd say it is not a very open/wide tone. It is more focused in a lower mid frequency. But it seems in that room anyway,not to be a frequency that is terribly boomy. I'd say most 12's would run the chance of being more boomy than that GK 410. It's just a matter of whether you like it's particular tone. I tend to like very little tweeter myself. I find most GC's have this Neo 410 in stock for some reaso. So check it out.

Eublet · #7 06-04-2010, 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by tombowlus

That is a fairly bright cab, and I find that biamping with a GK head gets me the best results.

+1 and the GBE 1200 is a fairly bright head. Pairing the two could be too much of a good thing depending on your goals.

mcm · #8 06-04-2010, 07:10 AM

i thought the same thing on a neo gk 410 i owned. got rid of it. the gk heads are great but cabinets are not that great imo.

Murph_Orpheus · #9 06-04-2010, 08:00 AM

I have used the Neo 212 in various rooms and tried various EQ settings but still find this cab honking back at me. I dunno, maybe it's just not for me!

Thunder Pulse · #10 06-04-2010, 06:05 PM

If there's too much treble you can set the switch on the back of the cab to bi-amp mode even if you're using it full range. That takes the tweeter out of the signal path altogether.

Murph_Orpheus · #11 06-05-2010, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Thunder Pulse

If there's too much treble you can set the switch on the back of the cab to bi-amp mode even if you're using it full range. That takes the tweeter out of the signal path altogether.

Doesn't this only work when pairing GK heads with GK cabs?

canadian*eh · #12 06-05-2010, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Murph_Orpheus

Doesn't this only work when pairing GK heads with GK cabs?

Yes the biamp would only work with the gk head but that being said if you set the cab to biamp but are running a head through it that is not the horn will not work just the woofers because it has turned off the internal crossover for the horn so now only the woofer are working on the +1-1 pins and the horn is working off the +2-2 pins and if there is no amp on those pins there is no horn!!

Thunder Pulse · #13 06-05-2010, 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Murph_Orpheus

Doesn't this only work when pairing GK heads with GK cabs?

If you were using a GK head with a GK bi-amp cab with their speakon cable and you didn't want to hear the horn then I imagine you'd have to turn the tweeter control on the front of the head all the off.

With any other head and using a regular speaker cable, setting the switch on the cab to bi-amp mode bypasses the tweeter, so your high end will roll off naturally at whatever frequency the woofer rolls off the high end.

Big Joe · #14 06-06-2010, 06:14 AM

Might be trying to split hairs here but I don't really associate "honking" with treble.

Is it truly the treble that is the issue?

What are your EQ settings?

Where are your contour, presence, boost, and woofer controls set at?

What kind of bass?

What are the settings on the bass and how is it set up?

Can you describe the honking? When does it happen?

Doug Parent · #15 06-06-2010, 06:32 AM

Agree with Tom, they are bright cabs...the GK's. I used a GK1001RB head with two Aguilar GS112's and it smoothed things out considerably. I think they are good cabs though, particularly for rock. The GK heads are a little "edgy" in my opinion as well, it could be a combination of factors. I had the Neo 112 for awhile and liked it, but sold it mainly for the same reason. Hope you get it sorted out.

MrTAteMyBalls · #16 06-06-2010, 06:41 AM

so, i always turn the tweeter knob on mine all the way down. from what you guys are saying, i can turn the switch to biamp mode, and still use the 1/4 in speaker cable input and the tweeter will be turned off completely?!?!?

Doug Parent · #17 06-06-2010, 07:23 AM

If you use a 1/4" speaker cable, you are not in bi-amp mode anyway. That is only achievable by using the 4 conductor speakon cable. Using the 1/4" connector, and turning your tweeter volume off (on the back of the cabinet) and switching the cabinet to "full-range" also on the back of the cabinet, then you will have no tweeter. If the switch on the cabinet is left on bi-amp mode, I think it also bypasses the tweeter altogether if you use the 1/4" connector.

Nedmundo · #18 06-06-2010, 08:06 AM

I have a couple of Neo 112 cabs with a G-K head, which is a bright sounding rig. I have heard some "honk," which I associate with upper mids more than treble, but it was only a problem with my G&L L-1500 bass. It's never been an issue with my other basses. I'd be surprised if you couldn't dial it out with a parametric EQ for upper mids.

Thunder Pulse · #19 06-06-2010, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by MrTAteMyBalls

so, i always turn the tweeter knob on mine all the way down. from what you guys are saying, i can turn the switch to biamp mode, and still use the 1/4 in speaker cable input and the tweeter will be turned off completely?!?!?

Exactly.

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Originally Posted by tonenazi

If you use a 1/4" speaker cable, you are not in bi-amp mode anyway. That is only achievable by using the 4 conductor speakon cable.

Correct.

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Using the 1/4" connector, and turning your tweeter volume off (on the back of the cabinet) and switching the cabinet to "full-range" also on the back of the cabinet, then you will have no tweeter.

You'll still have tweeter, but at a reduced level relative to the rest of the cab.

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If the switch on the cabinet is left on bi-amp mode, I think it also bypasses the tweeter altogether if you use the 1/4" connector.

Correct.

One thing to remember though, the crossover point in GK cabs is pretty high, so even bypassing the tweeter completely you'll still have high end; it won't make the cab sound like a 1x18.

countrybass007 · #20 06-06-2010, 08:24 AM

I only get this feeling when I'm using my GK1001RBII. If I have my 212neo cab hooked up to my Orange Tiny Terror it doesn't seem too bright. A little adjustment on the tone knobs does always correct this.