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Old 03-18-2011, 07:01 PM
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Wink Streamliner 900 vs Eden Navigator with EBMM. EQ settings, direct out & LM Tube

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Tube vs. Semi-tube!
Eds video is SPOT on for the Streamliner so I start with that! Anything I write is not nearly as important as what your ears hear on this video:
YouTube - Genz Benz Streamliner 900

Summary of my thoughts from the Streamliner thread so it will be familiar to those following the 100s of pages there!



It sounds great with these basses:



Despite its main competition (I've had the Eden for 6 years now)



3) What warmth from the Streamliner! Wow... My sterling H finally sounds full! I love my Eden Nav but it can't get as full as this. The SL900 also has MANY more warm tones than the Eden. The Eden does hollow hi-fi better but the SL900 does hi-fi with meat... its cool. Fantastic compliment to the Eden, just what I wanted, just like the videos show. My Eden Nav can do a Shuttle all day long but not the Streamliner


4) SL900 is Loud as hell... Winning duh? Pushes the 750w 5.3 ohm 310 NYC to its limits. I easily could have chosen the SL600. The Navigator is a preamp of course

5) I ALWAYS had to boost the bass on my Sterling, PERMANENTLY. This is the 1st amp where I cut my lows & liked it, EVER. I've had this bass a long long time with many amps so thats saying a ton.

6) My EQ test from last night was the same... these knobs act differently than what I've had in the past. When I boost or cut mids on my Eden the change is drastic & I know exactly what I'm going to get. Its different with the SL, not as drastic & a variation of tube tone vs mid cut\boost like the Eden if you follow me. It also makes my EQ on my bass different. If I leave the amp flat & move my mids the tone goes from harsh to fairly warm. With the SL its warm either way.

EQ Settings The Navigator:
Flat it represents your bass unlike the SL900. What a complicated EQ. Moving Bass & Lows are very different just like Treble & High. The Flexiblity is amazing as well as with the Semi-parametric EQ. Endless tones really. The compressor is great, the tube knob does NOTHING, I have the enhance OFF & use the footswitch to turn it on for songs with a pick. The LEDs on the front are so great & help with EQ to make sure you're not weak or clipping.
Tone: Solid state all the way (Compared to the SL900) It has a little more warmth than the GK1001 RB & Sansamp RBI it replaced. My bandmates always loved the Eden over those 2 amps.

EQ Setting for the SL900:
Flat is NOT flat! This amp flat is bass at 9 oclock. Its pretty much always coloring your tone. For a more Hi-Fi tone put the mids to 2.5K, cut that bass & move your mids to taste. The tone is overwhelming tube & drastically different than the Eden BUT it can get hi-fi as well. Of course a SS head would do hi-fi better like a Shuttlemax (Listen to Eds clips). This is a tube amp 1st! Despite the lack of EQ controls (5 EQ knobs vs 10 on the Eden) the Streamliner is remarkably versatile, way more than you would think. Why? The Eden can't do tube warmth... then again not many others can do the Streamliner tube warmth. The SL has more usable tones. The LM Tube is NOT a tube amp like the SL. Its like the Eden which has 1 tube where the tube knob matters not. The LM Tube is a smaller tube that cannot be self serviced or changed like the full size tubes in the SL or Eden. I passed on the LM III & LM Tube for the Streamliner & dont regret it 1 second.

DIRECT OUT COMPARISON

Verdict: Sounds the same! DUH! The SL900 is a little quieter noise wise & a little hotter ALTHOUGH with the Eden the direct output volume is in play unlike the SL.

Tone: Only 1/6 of the "tubes" are in play (1/2 of 1 of the 3 tubes) is Pre-EQ
That makes the tone very solid state like & almost identical to the Eden which I believe is the same 1/2 of 1 tube pre-EQ... regardless the tone from the DI is VERY different than what would come out of your cab with the EQ at noon.

If fact, it would take EXTREME EQ changes to get a matching cab and DI tone. We're talking bass below 9, mids at 2.5K & boosted & treble up (Of course the rest would depend on your cabs) but this is where you would start. Just remember what you hear on stage is going to be very different than whats going out the direct... with the Streamliner EQ near Flat The Direct out is MUCH more of a "Shuttlemax" tone than a Streamliner tone. I'd imagine the Shuttlemax flat would represent the direct out tone of the Streamliner.

Does that bother me? No... Its great to have but the Shuttlemax PreEQ or Streamliner PostEQ tones. I know where I want my bass EQ to be to sound good to the P.A & then I do my backline to taste. If I need the warmth (My basses don't naturally have) I can go post EQ. Of course my post EQ tone with the Streamliner will be much more warm than the Eden just as it is through the cabs.

The Direct Out on the Navigator is complicated & great... I reviewed it here:
Eden Navigator Direct Input REVIEW FYI !

I love the Streamliner, I love my Eden Navigator... if I could ONLY have 1, it would be a toss up between the SL900 & the Shuttlemax 9.2! HA! I love hi-fi myself for more cut. I'd MUCH rather have both amps just like a P & a J bass, they are different and do their tone better than a P\J... get it? The more I learn the SL though the more it can do hi-fi so take your time to learn it

Review of the basses here:

Shootout Review! Fender P vs EBMM Sterling H & HH (Some J & Ibanez SRX 505 too)

Hope you enjoyed, its long but its worth reading before you plunk down $1000 bucks of your hard earned money right?

Go ahead & ask some questions or shoot a PM.
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Old 03-18-2011, 07:15 PM
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Nice review Tuna and big bump for the Streamliner + Sterling Combo!! Sterling's have never sounded THIS good!

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Old 03-19-2011, 01:29 AM
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I only have to sell $700 more worth of stuff to get it! Ugh, GAS is really disrupting everything else in my life...

Thanks for the review. So far, I've only read two post of people not liking the SL900. That's nothing compared to the hundreds of post of hype on it.
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Old 03-19-2011, 06:52 AM
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I only have to sell $700 more worth of stuff to get it! .
I know how you feel, heres what i sold!

Ibanez SRX505- $300, Sansamp RBI $220, Raven PHA-1 $150, GK backline $75, MXR 80 $50,

Thoughts on the Streamliner I should clarify
Heres why I love the amp... it does tons of tube tone solid state amps can't & much (not all) of the solid state tones making it MUCH more versatile tone wise.

I got mine from Red Dirt Brothers Guitars in Yukon Oklahoma, ask about special pricing around $750 to $800 for the SL900

The headphone amp is AWESOME & can push 250 ohm headphones. The mix in takes an ipod\laptop so its a great practice amp. GK MBfusion & LMTube dont have this!!
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Old 03-19-2011, 06:57 AM
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Very interesting read.
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Old 03-27-2011, 06:25 PM
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This is exactly the kind of info I am looking for.

I would very much like to try the STreamliner.

Right now I have the EDen WP/ QSC setup. For cabs I have the GB Neo X212 and the EDen 6x10 xlt.

I want to continue with my quest to lighten my rig. I also want a little more warmth without having to lug around a tube head. So far I am getting great tones with my Fender jazz+ Eden+ Neo cab. I just want to switch to a more portable head.

I have a question. I know were not comparing apples to apples, but which head would you say is 'Punchier' in the mids?
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Old 03-27-2011, 06:40 PM
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They both are punchy but I'd say the Streamliner has punchy with meat... Eden is more hollow hi-fi punch that needs the right cab.
Sometimes you get a hi-fi cab with a hi-fi bass like a Stingray & you add a hi-fi amp like a GK 1001RB & you lose punch, know what I mean?

My Eden Navigator needed my Epifani 310 to have punch but I'm not sure it would have punch with the GK NEO 410, 2 hi-fi make a wrong.

So, to truly answer your question, whats you're bass?

BUT the Streamliner can do MUCH of what the Eden can do (Not all) while the Eden can do only a little of the Streamliner tube tone.

I'm don't know enough of the 212 to tell if its a hi-fi cab or not... the Eden 610xlt I know well & returned it. It was too mid burpy or to put it another way it has a very distinct coloring to the tone when I personally feel a cab should be pretty neutral. 610xlt not a good match with the Eden Nav, never tried it with the Streamliner though.
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Right now I have the Eden 610 and the GB Neo hooked up stereo to the QSC .

I have a passive Fender jazz bass (strung with flats) plugged into the Eden Nav/ QSC setup. The GK Neo (which is a little on the hi-fi side) has more presence, punch and has a much more rounded sound. It actually has more lows than the eden.
The 6x10 has a colored tone that I have to tweak a little to find a good sound. It has the mid bump which give doesn't allow it to round out in the lows.

I can't believe how much volume and good tone I can get out of the neo cab. This cab is loud.

I will venture to say that it sounds allot better than the 6x10 cab.
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Old 03-28-2011, 05:56 AM
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Right now I have the Eden 610 and the GB Neo hooked up stereo to the QSC .

I have a passive Fender jazz bass (strung with flats) plugged into the Eden Nav/ QSC setup. The GK Neo (which is a little on the hi-fi side) has more presence, punch and has a much more rounded sound. It actually has more lows than the eden.
The 6x10 has a colored tone that I have to tweak a little to find a good sound. It has the mid bump which give doesn't allow it to round out in the lows.

I can't believe how much volume and good tone I can get out of the neo cab. This cab is loud.

I will venture to say that it sounds allot better than the 6x10 cab.
I agree with everything you say... the Streamliner will add meat to the punch that the Eden brings. NEOs sometimes need that but the Eden nav is such a great amp, I love it.

If you can get good money for that 610 I'd sell it, actually GC bought mine which was really surprising.
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